How to Oregonians feel about Calif. transplants (Grass Valley: vs., gardening)

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

If those stats are correct, (and I will assume they are), this is just a continuem of California residents moving north. I am not surprised by this, and not even concerned by this. The numbers won't turn WA/OR into a California. But it will increase population in these NW states. I think the best planners can do it prepare for a continued moderate population gain.

Yes, Americans are going to continue moving like they always have. Interestingly, if you look at the top states Californians are moving too, CA is also a top destination for those states as well. It has only been recently that CA hasn't grown in population with more people flooding in from every state and nation.



Where people in California are moving to most

Derek

[pnwguy2]

Texas makes sense as property values are still very low compared to California.

Arizona makes sense as it is not far from home for Californians, despite rising prices.

Nevada, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there, but real estate is still cheaper than CA.

Washington is expensive, but there are pockets that are not.

Oregon is somewhat cheaper than Washington. Income tax may be an issue.

Colorado? Don't know enough about it.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

Texas makes sense as property values are still very low compared to California.

Arizona makes sense as it is not far from home for Californians, despite rising prices.

Nevada, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there, but real estate is still cheaper than CA.

Washington is expensive, but there are pockets that are not.

Oregon is somewhat cheaper than Washington. Income tax may be an issue.

Colorado? Don't know enough about it.

Yeah, Nevada is strange one for us. But some love the heat, desert and Vegas is a huge draw. We visit Vegas once every couple of decades then quickly tire of it. I was very surprised how quickly that area has grown. Then there is Reno which has greater appeal to us simply due to its proximity to Lake Tahoe and the High Sierra. Both of those are quite beautiful if you love the outdoors and mountains. One of our wealthy neighbors from Monterey, CA lives in Reno just over 1/2 the year to claim NV residency and not get hit with CA's steep income taxes. He also likes to ski. So, it works out for him as he splits his time on the CA coast and then up in the mountains.

Derek

[pnwguy2]

Vegas simply has become a more affordable California. Its real estate prices, while rising, are still 35-45 percent lower than most in SoCal. Doesn’t mean your life will be better there, but if you have a somewhat limited income then Vegas is certainly more affordable.

[texasdiver]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

Nevada, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there, but real estate is still cheaper than CA.

Jobs.

A lot of CA companies have relocated to or have opened branches in NV. The unemployment rate in the Reno area is about 2.5%.

Also Taxes. Unlike CA, OR, and AZ, NV has no state income tax so not only are your costs lower in terms of housing, but your earnings go farther.

[NW4me]

Originally Posted by texasdiver

Jobs.

A lot of CA companies have relocated to or have opened branches in NV. The unemployment rate in the Reno area is about 2.5%.

Also Taxes. Unlike CA, OR, and AZ, NV has no state income tax so not only are your costs lower in terms of housing, but your earnings go farther.

And for people who define "good weather" as a cloudless sky every day, NV works well.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by NW4me

And for people who define "good weather" as a cloudless sky every day, NV works well.

Yes, there is a native Oregonian on CD who moved there and talks it up on the forum. He loves being able to dry out, get more sun and see his $$$ go further even though he still owns a bizz in PDX.

Personally, I cannot stand the lack of green which no amount of sun could make up for. But there are lots of people who like a more dry, desert like climate. It's also not without it's charms. The red rocks can look pretty cool in places like Valley of Fire. These pics were taken during a 'winter warm-up' vacation down south.















Also, the Black Canyon along the Colorado River is a nice place to paddle.





Derek

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by pnwguy2

Texas makes sense as property values are still very low compared to California.

Arizona makes sense as it is not far from home for Californians, despite rising prices.

Nevada, I have no idea why anyone would want to live there, but real estate is still cheaper than CA.

Washington is expensive, but there are pockets that are not.

Oregon is somewhat cheaper than Washington. Income tax may be an issue.

Colorado? Don't know enough about it.

The taxes are lower. Retirees, for example, choose the Nevada side of Tahoe for their retirement location, because they get Tahoe with a significant discount, so to speak.

[ejisme]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

Yeah, Nevada is strange one for us. But some love the heat, desert and Vegas is a huge draw. We visit Vegas once every couple of decades then quickly tire of it. I was very surprised how quickly that area has grown. Then there is Reno which has greater appeal to us simply due to its proximity to Lake Tahoe and the High Sierra. Both of those are quite beautiful if you love the outdoors and mountains. One of our wealthy neighbors from Monterey, CA lives in Reno just over 1/2 the year to claim NV residency and not get hit with CA's steep income taxes. He also likes to ski. So, it works out for him as he splits his time on the CA coast and then up in the mountains.

Derek

The Reno, Carson City, Lake Tahoe, and surrounding areas are much, much different than Las Vegas. More similar to some Northern California and Southern Oregon climates, and drivable (or a cheap flight) back to SF for a long weekend, or as a good base for remote work that requires an infrequent visit to the home office.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by ejisme

The Reno, Carson City, Lake Tahoe, and surrounding areas are much, much different than Las Vegas. More similar to some Northern California and Southern Oregon climates, and drivable (or a cheap flight) back to SF for a long weekend, or as a good base for remote work that requires an infrequent visit to the home office.

Oh yes, I know. I've spent time in both and greatly prefer Reno/Tahoe over Vegas. The High Sierra is a favorite destination of mine along with the beautiful and large Lake Tahoe. It wouldn't be a bad place at all to retire or work remotely from. And proximity to SF is also a big draw especially post Covid with more Bay Area companies allowing remote work. But no place is perfect, of course. There are pros/cons in living there. There are also some from that area that decide to move to the PNW looking for greener pastures.

Derek