Kansas City vs Oklahoma City (Howe, St. Louis: buy, live, club)

[kcmo]

Downtown is better now since they built this:

[teakboat]

Yeah, but it moves along. Same as Tulsa.. the traffic is there but it usually moves along without too much delay.

[KC_Sleuth]

Originally Posted by kcmo

Have you been on this? (435 beltway)

Hah! I take this road every day. Really very little traffic problems though...it only takes me about 45 minutes to get to work. In Los Angeles it used to take me much, much longer to go about the same distance between office and apartment. My girlfriend is from Chicago and I know the traffic there is absolutely awful. One of the reasons we love KC is that there is virtually no traffic!

[OkCityPartisan]

Hey, I'm the editor of the aforementioned OKC.NET- Oklahoma City Now and Forever - | OKC.NET- Oklahoma City Now and Forever | . I personally love KC. I very nearly went to art school there, but was offered more scholarship money elsewhere. The Plaza is very nearly my favorite district of it's kind in the country, and my DC friends were just as skeptical of the merits of Kansas City as they were of OKC.

Two of them came to my wedding and stayed.

Something is happening here in OKC, that is true, but something is also happening in KC and Tulsa and Omaha and Austin and Fort Worth. The banking industry in the middle of the country, having been destroyed in the 1980s oil bust, had a more robust regulatory environment when the housing bubble came about, leaving us more or less unscathed. And certainly not to dance on their graves, but the old conservative city fathers have mostly died off. That has made this an ideal moment for new ideas and new leaders to emerge. This isn't a battle between OKC and KC; we are both winners in the current economic climate. KC has a head-start, that's true, but we're catching up. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years the current modest ribbon of cool that exists on I-35 has blossomed into something really remarkable that rivals the east and west coast megalopoli. Is that the plural of megalopolis? I actually have no idea. In any case, this infighting is counterproductive. I have always thought that the Tulsa-OKC sniping is stupid. The rest of the country doesn't care which is better. They think we all suck equally.

[kcmo]

Originally Posted by KC_Sleuth

Hah! I take this road every day. Really very little traffic problems though...it only takes me about 45 minutes to get to work. In Los Angeles it used to take me much, much longer to go about the same distance between office and apartment. My girlfriend is from Chicago and I know the traffic there is absolutely awful. One of the reasons we love KC is that there is virtually no traffic!

It's all relative. People in OKC think KC traffic is bad, but that just means that OKC really doesn't have any traffic. Even in that photo, that traffic is moving and the actual delay is probably less than ten minutes.

But driving around KC does feel different than OKC. The highways seem wider and have more volume in the KC area than in OKC from my experience.

But it would be nice to have not have any traffic what so ever.

Chicago and LA are both worse than DC in my opinion.

[SouthXSW]

That bridge is nice, where in KC is it? Paseo?

[Bass&Catfish2008]

Originally Posted by OkCityPartisan

Hey, I'm the editor of the aforementioned OKC.NET- Oklahoma City Now and Forever - | OKC.NET- Oklahoma City Now and Forever | . I personally love KC. I very nearly went to art school there, but was offered more scholarship money elsewhere. The Plaza is very nearly my favorite district of it's kind in the country, and my DC friends were just as skeptical of the merits of Kansas City as they were of OKC.

Two of them came to my wedding and stayed.

Something is happening here in OKC, that is true, but something is also happening in KC and Tulsa and Omaha and Austin and Fort Worth. The banking industry in the middle of the country, having been destroyed in the 1980s oil bust, had a more robust regulatory environment when the housing bubble came about, leaving us more or less unscathed. And certainly not to dance on their graves, but the old conservative city fathers have mostly died off. That has made this an ideal moment for new ideas and new leaders to emerge. This isn't a battle between OKC and KC; we are both winners in the current economic climate. KC has a head-start, that's true, but we're catching up. I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 years the current modest ribbon of cool that exists on I-35 has blossomed into something really remarkable that rivals the east and west coast megalopoli. Is that the plural of megalopolis? I actually have no idea. In any case, this infighting is counterproductive. I have always thought that the Tulsa-OKC sniping is stupid. The rest of the country doesn't care which is better. They think we all suck equally.

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So true.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

KC traffic is bad because the roads are poorly designed. They hinder rather than facilitate the movement of traffic. The roads are too narrow with too many curves and ramps that are too short to efficiently and safely merge. Plus people are rude and the majority will not allow you to merge.

In OKC you can drive, and the on ramps are long enough to gather enough speed to safely merge and the people are civilized and will allow you in, they will signal when they turn or change lanes, and they don't drive 10 MPH under the speed limit in the passing lane.

KC drivers are retards. In fact, Midwestern drivers are retards. The only things worse than Missouri divers are Nebraska drivers, Iowa drivers, and Kansas drivers.

[KC_Sleuth]

I just don't see it. I drive in KC traffic every day for 5 years now and have never once been stuck in a standstill for any unreasonable amount of time. There will be people on the roads, that's for sure (it is a big metro); however, it most often moving traffic. Yeah the triangle (435/470/71 interchange) sucks sometimes but I have never been stuck for more than 10 minutes in it. I can't say the same for Los Angeles, where you had to bring your appetizer in the car because it took two hours to get to a restaurant.

Also, I never understand the "drivers are bad in X place argument". It's subjective and statistically unsound. I went to college in Boston and everyone says the drivers there were bad - I never found that to be true. I was in Florida for a few weeks this year for work and everyone warned me about Florida drivers;again, I did not notice any significant bad driving habits that were not used elsewhere. My dad lives in Manhattan and sure taxi drivers drive fast in heavy traffic, but I wouldn't say they are bad drivers - they just are used to driving in bumper-to-bumper street traffic.

I am not talking about OKC (which I have driven through and stopped in for a while), but if you want a place with no traffic you will live in a place with very few people. That's fine, but it requires some sacrifices. I am sure even OKC has SOME traffic.

[Crosstimbers Okie]

OKC ha a lot of traffic. But it flows smoothly, at a high rate of speed. In KC the retards stack up in the passing lanes and putz along so that traffic can't pass on the right because of ramps that are too short to allow on comers to merge at a safe speed. They must teach hogging the passing lane in Driver's Ed class along with sleeping at the wheel. They need some State Troopers out on the highways riding the bumpers of clowns who are clogging up the passing lanes like they do in Central Oklahoma. Maybe it will give them a clue.