New Amtrak Routes (Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati: to buy, live in, prices)

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by PerryMason6166441192

No he doesn't. Nothing is downtown. Everything is spread out. The airport is a good central location to deal with masses of people coming and going. The travel infrastructure is there, rental car is there, long-term parking is there. Putting the train downtown is stupid if you are trying to attract a business traveler.

Not sure what downtown you're referring to but in Toledo alone for example there is the HQ for Owens Corning, Libbey Glass and Promedica Health, the regional HQ for Fifth Third Bank and dozens of other mid-size companies ranging from law firms to financial services.

Detroit has a revitalized downtown business sector that includes the HQ for General Motors, Compuware, Little Ceasars and Quicken Loans plus principal offices for Chrysler, Fifth Third Bank, Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and Ernst & Young. The Detroit Lions play at downtown's Ford Field along with the MLB Tigers at Comerica Park and the NHL Red Wings at Little Ceasars Arena, the Detroit Pistons from the NBA and the campus for Wayne State university.

Cleveland has the HQ for Sherwin Williams and Huntington Bank, regional offices for PNC Bank and Key Bank, many large law firms, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cleveland Aquarium, Great Lakes Science Center, Progressive Field (MLB Guardians), Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse (NBA Cavaliers) and Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Columbus has from its new station to be built at the Columbus Convention Center close proximity to Nationwide Insurance HQ, Ohio State University's main campus and the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets arena as well as many other highrise occupants.

Cincinnati has the HQ for Proctor and Gamble, Scripps Media and Kroger to name just a few corporate offices plus the Cincinnati Bengals stadium, Cincinnati Reds ballpark and the Cincinnati Convention Center.

Apparently the growth aspect sailed over your head. Rail transit hubs in each of these cities will attract further commercial development ranging from corporate offices and hotels to restaurants and retail. This is truly huge for Ohio.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Not sure what downtown you're referring to but in Toledo alone for example there is the HQ for Owens Corning, Libbey Glass and Promedica Health, the regional HQ for Fifth Third Bank and dozens of other mid-size companies ranging from law firms to financial services.

Detroit has a revitalized downtown business sector that includes the HQ for General Motors, Compuware, Little Ceasars and Quicken Loans plus principal offices for Chrysler, Fifth Third Bank, Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and Ernst & Young. The Detroit Lions play at downtown's Ford Field along with the MLB Tigers at Comerica Park and the NHL Red Wings at Little Ceasars Arena, the Detroit Pistons from the NBA and the campus for Wayne State university.

Cleveland has the HQ for Sherwin Williams and Huntington Bank, regional offices for PNC Bank and Key Bank, many large law firms, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, Cleveland Aquarium, Great Lakes Science Center, Progressive Field (MLB Guardians), Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse (NBA Cavaliers) and Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Columbus has from its new station to be built at the Columbus Convention Center close proximity to Nationwide Insurance HQ, Ohio State University's main campus and the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets arena as well as many other highrise occupants.

Cincinnati has the HQ for Proctor and Gamble, Scripps Media and Kroger to name just a few corporate offices plus the Cincinnati Bengals stadium, Cincinnati Reds ballpark and the Cincinnati Convention Center.

Apparently the growth aspect sailed over your head. Rail transit hubs in each of these cities will attract further commercial development ranging from corporate offices and hotels to restaurants and retail. This is truly huge for Ohio.

Sorry, but I think PerryMason makes a great point or two.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Sorry, but I think PerryMason makes a great point or two.

Please explain those points which in my opinion make no sense in regard to current infrastructure and/or potential growth.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Please explain those points which in my opinion make no sense in regard to current infrastructure and/or potential growth.

PerryMason said this:

The airport is a good central location to deal with masses of people coming and going. The travel infrastructure is there, rental car is there, long-term parking is there.

I just flew to Ohio and if I were there on business I would have appreciated an Amtrak route to and from the airport. As it was, I had tons of driving to do so I rented a car instead, at the airport. And before you say a person can't drive in those cities, I just drove in Columbus and in Cincinnati. Definitely can be done easily. Heck, I drive in Dallas all the time!

I bet Amtrak did studies. For instance, many of the people but not all the people I traveled with were on business. I flew on the weekend so I am pretty sure more business travelers were flying during the week. Anyway, yeah that's what I wanted to do - struggle with my luggage through downtown Cincinnati, NOT. I say put the Amtrak where the people are and then take it from there. Or take them.

I agree with it so I won't waste any more time defending myself or PerryMason. Sheeze!

[Karl Lagos]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

It's not being cobbled together for the casual suburban traveler, rather the typical business traveler who appreciates traveling into a city center versus a suburban airport location.

Hamilton and Middletown are not suburbs.

[PerryMason614]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

Sorry, but I think PerryMason makes a great point or two.

Think about it. You have to go to cincinnati or maybe on a leisure trip. So you get in the car in the morning and go to the train station. Do you want to navigate through downtown streets to get to the train station? Where are you going to park? Is your car going to be safe? Are you going to roll your luggage down a couple of city blocks to get inside the convention center to take the train? When you get to your destination, do you want to pay $400 a night for downtown hotel? Do you want to roll your luggage several city blocks to get to the rental car company? Downtown is not convenient at all. These urbanist dreamers still think it's 1909.

[cheech14]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

PerryMason said this:

I just flew to Ohio and if I were there on business I would have appreciated an Amtrak route to and from the airport. As it was, I had tons of driving to do so I rented a car instead, at the airport. And before you say a person can't drive in those cities, I just drove in Columbus and in Cincinnati. Definitely can be done easily. Heck, I drive in Dallas all the time!

I bet Amtrak did studies. For instance, many of the people but not all the people I traveled with were on business. I flew on the weekend so I am pretty sure more business travelers were flying during the week. Anyway, yeah that's what I wanted to do - struggle with my luggage through downtown Cincinnati, NOT. I say put the Amtrak where the people are and then take it from there. Or take them.

I agree with it so I won't waste any more time defending myself or PerryMason. Sheeze!

What you are arguing for is local rail, not regional rail. Amtrak is regional. If you want a rail line to and from local airports, you want local rail.

[KathrynAragon]

Originally Posted by PerryMason614

Think about it. You have to go to cincinnati or maybe on a leisure trip. So you get in the car in the morning and go to the train station. Do you want to navigate through downtown streets to get to the train station? Where are you going to park? Is your car going to be safe? Are you going to roll your luggage down a couple of city blocks to get inside the convention center to take the train? When you get to your destination, do you want to pay $400 a night for downtown hotel? Do you want to roll your luggage several city blocks to get to the rental car company? Downtown is not convenient at all. These urbanist dreamers still think it's 1909.

I am agreeing with you basically.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

PerryMason said this:



I just flew to Ohio and if I were there on business I would have appreciated an Amtrak route to and from the airport. As it was, I had tons of driving to do so I rented a car instead, at the airport. And before you say a person can't drive in those cities, I just drove in Columbus and in Cincinnati. Definitely can be done easily. Heck, I drive in Dallas all the time!

I bet Amtrak did studies. For instance, many of the people but not all the people I traveled with were on business. I flew on the weekend so I am pretty sure more business travelers were flying during the week. Anyway, yeah that's what I wanted to do - struggle with my luggage through downtown Cincinnati, NOT. I say put the Amtrak where the people are and then take it from there. Or take them.

I agree with it so I won't waste any more time defending myself or PerryMason. Sheeze!

The overall usage point isn't for travelers coming into Ohio from other states and as already demonstrated on the highly successful Northeast Corridor, focused on intra-state/intra-regional travel. The resident of Cincinnati traveling to Cleveland or Columbus, and any combination within as well in Detroit-Toledo-Cleveland will be the intended beneficiaries or those not allergic to public transit. About a 1/3 of all Americans live in an urban environment so the premise that everyone is inconvenienced by a centralized train station is a bit of a suburban myth, not to mention in a study 98% of all Americans support public transit and would use it over driving.

[PerryMason614]

Originally Posted by KathrynAragon

I am agreeing with you basically.

Oh yeah, I'm not arguing with you, I'm just expanding on my thoughts. If people think through each step that they take to travel out of town, the airport makes the most sense. It also kind of makes sense for the bus depot to be located there.

But these guys have a fantasy of people putting on their suits and their white gloves to take the interurban from Chillicothe into Columbus so they can do some fine shopping at the downtown Lazarus and some fine dining. Those days are gone. At least in columbus, commerce occurs everywhere from Hilliard through Easton for the office work, and a lot of warehousing south of I-70. Downtown has a minority of the happenings compared to the rest of the market.

If you're somebody traveling in town because you have something going on at Honda do you want to have to be stuck downtown and work your way out to marysville given all the friction I just described being downtown causes?

These dreamers need to be realistic.