Excluding Cincinnati, how Appalachian-influenced is Southwestern Ohio on the whole? (Hamilton: areas, place)

[Doughboy1918]

Originally Posted by Coseau

Some people jokingly call the city of Hamilton "Hamiltucky" because of the migration of Kentuckians to Hamilton for wartime jobs during WWII. Since the Machine Tool industry comprised a significant amount of its economic base similar to Cincinnati it didn't decline like Middletown when the Steel industry went through a bust period.

So you agree, Hamilton is not as Appalachian-influenced as Middletown or Covington?

[gentlearts]

I’m not sure how Blue Ash fits into the puzzle, but my darling son in law was raised there. He is the youngest of four. They are all successful hard driving businessmen, except for the sister who married one, with no couth whatsoever. I guess you could say that that area breeds folks who are smart, but still might not know,or care which fork to use.

[robertbrianbush]

Originally Posted by Doughboy1918

That's because for one thing, those first places you describe are inner-ring suburbs. Second, Middletown and Hamilton are suburbs because they are still connected to the same suburban complex that stretch all the way down to the anchor city of the metro area, and although the two aforementioned communities are legacy cities in their own right, they have always also been heavily influenced by nearby larger cities. Similar examples are the St. Louis suburbs of Belleville and Alton, the Chicago suburb of Joliet and the Kansas City suburbs of Independence and Liberty, etc.

Not too many Middletown residents classify themselves as suburbanites.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by robertbrianbush

Not too many Middletown residents classify themselves as suburbanites.

Your correct...Middltown has some rough and tumble

[midwest1]

Originally Posted by Coseau

Hamiliton and Middleton are satellite cities of Cincinnati as opposed to being bedroom suburbs. The majority of the northern cities and towns were industrial towns that were developed along the Miami River or the canal because the river provided a cheap energy source, and the canal provided a cheap transportation route for trade.

Hamiliton and Middletown are far enough away from Cincinnati (especially Middletown) where it wouldn't make sense to live in one locale and commute to the other locale on a daily basis.

Hamiliton and Middletown are more similar to Detroit, Cleveland and Pittsburgh in that they were more or less tied to one industry so when that one industry declined those places also declined.

Covington, Newport, Hamilton and Middletown are more Appalachian influenced than Cincinnati.

Cincinnati is a city of neighborhoods, so you had neighborhoods that had a heavy Appalachian presence such as East Price Hill, the East End or the enclaves of Norwood and Elmwood Place. But that is about 5 or 6 neighborhoods out of a total of 50 to 60 neighborhoods in Cincinnati, so the overall influence would probably be in the ballpark of 10% to 20%.

Middletown is not a satellite city....it is a city on the Great Miami River...halfway between Dayton and Hamilton.

Cincinnatians 200 years ago considered Middletown a neighboring city...totally independent of Cincinnati. Ditto for Hamilton.

[midwest1]

And I know plenty of people who commute to jobs in Cincy from Middletown. That's why Middletown is growing faster than Dayton Hamilton, Springfield, Covington and Cincinnati...

Location location location...

45 minutes to Wright-Pat...25 to downtown Dayton..20 to Lebanon...15 minutes to Austin Landing to the North, 15 minutes to Liberty Center to the south .25 minutes to downtown Hamilton...and 40 minutes to downtown Cincinnati.

[Coseau]

Originally Posted by Doughboy1918

So you agree, Hamilton is not as Appalachian-influenced as Middletown or Covington?

I do not know because I rarely go there unless I have to file some papers at the County Municipal Building downtown.

[Doughboy1918]

Upon re-examination of this topic and new sources I’ve found, I’m left wondering if at least half the entire white population of all of Ohio has Appalachian ancestry from either Eastern Kentucky, West Virginia or Northeast Tennessee. Am I accurate in assuming this, or not?

[Karl Lagos]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Your correct...Middltown has some rough and tumble

That a very old saying created by the immigrants from N. England, Ulster Ireland, and from parts of Scotland. When they agreed to fight each other they would say is this rough and tumble? Meaning anything goes, gouging eyeballs, biting off ears etc. That is who populated Appalachian areas and then later place like Middletown, Hamilton etc.

[Doughboy1918]

Interesting related article. Don't know if anyone has personal knowledge of it;
https://uacvoice.org/2022/04/current...ike-templeton/