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Well no one but the Yankees probably fill up 40,000 a night. I’d imagine average announced attendance throughout the league is closer to 25,000. The Bulls/Mudcats probably outdraw the Marlins, though minor league is almost a different sport in that regards. But the Triangle would be a small market. Bigger than Milwaukee but behind KC and Cincinnati for at least a few more years. It would take an imaginative owner to make it work.
Minnesota has the 15th (of 30th) highest avg home attendance of 28K with 81 home games.
MLB:
Miami (30/30 in attendance) had 811k attendance in 2019
Tampa (29/30) had 1.18M attendance 2019
Detroit (25/30) had 1.5M attendance 2019
Dallas (18/30) had 2.13M attendance 2019
LA Angels (4/30) had 3.02M attendance 2019
LA Dodgers (1/30) had 3.97 attendance 2019
MLB’s worst team (and it’s worse by a good margin than even the next team) still has a not-so-modest lead over any Carolina team.
(And I was surprised to see Panthers so low on attendance. Turns out the stadium is at capacity and has near 100% attendance. Capacity is 75K)
MLB would fail so miserably in Raleigh or Charlotte. Even without competition from other sports IMO. Unless it’s a big city or legacy team. Any other team would struggle in a new market I imagine. Also, a lot of people in the Carolinas consider the Braves the home team. Not a team in Raleigh or Charlotte could wrangle loyalty from Atlanta in the wider NC/SC market
MLS has around 350k avg. attendance, guessing. But OMG Atlanta is. BEAST! They had 892k in attendance! 2nd was Seattle with 684k and 3rd cinnci with 464k.
Ive always heard MLS really wanted the Charlotte market to create a rivalry with Atlanta. But that are bid kept being inadequate (a stadium over in concord at nascar in the middle of nowhere.... really?). Then tepper came. Atlanta, New Orleans and Charlotte I think have a rivalry due to NFL.
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Minnesota has the 15th (of 30th) highest avg home attendance of 28K with 81 home games.
MLB:
Miami (30/30 in attendance) had 811k attendance in 2019
Tampa (29/30) had 1.18M attendance 2019
Detroit (25/30) had 1.5M attendance 2019
Dallas (18/30) had 2.13M attendance 2019
LA Angels (4/30) had 3.02M attendance 2019
LA Dodgers (1/30) had 3.97 attendance 2019
MLB’s worst team (and it’s worse by a good margin than even the next team) still has a not-so-modest lead over any Carolina team.
(And I was surprised to see Panthers so low on attendance. Turns out the stadium is at capacity and has near 100% attendance. Capacity is 75K)
MLB would fail so miserably in Raleigh or Charlotte. Even without competition from other sports IMO. Unless it’s a big city or legacy team. Any other team would struggle in a new market I imagine.
Baseball's business model worked well 50 years ago because it was the "National pastime". Today, this is simply NOT the case anymore. One can argue that football and basketball are EASILY more present in the public's consciousness in most markets. A huge reason for this is minor league baseball (which practically killed college baseball). Thanks to college athletics, students become indoctrinated into their schools' basketball and football programs. This actually breeds fans of those respective sports. Baseball relies mostly on legacy baseball markets with a solid "baseball culture" in order to get new fans (This is why markets such as St Louis and Milwaukee consistently outperform markets like Miami).
With that said, the MLB needs to restructure itself so that the game can grow again. America has made it clear that there are just way too many baseball games for most markets to digest. Even markets like Pittsburgh often have to give away tickets through radio promotions and such. Like any good business model, scarcity creates value. Too much of anything is never a good thing.
However, baseball's midwestern-heavy geographic footprint hurts the sport badly (no offense to the Midwest). Baseball needs growing new South markets like Raleigh and the Triangle would LOVE having them. IMO, it would be a good marriage......But with any good marriage, compromise is needed from both sides. New markets must understand that baseball requires a lot of support. Baseball needs to make itself a little less high maintenance so that markets (old and new) can support the sport.
Baseball's business model worked well 50 years ago because it was the "National pastime". Today, this is simply NOT the case anymore. One can argue that football and basketball are EASILY more present in the public's consciousness in most markets. A huge reason for this is minor league baseball (which practically killed college baseball). Thanks to college athletics, students become indoctrinated into their schools' basketball and football programs. This actually breeds fans of those respective sports. Baseball relies mostly on legacy baseball markets with a solid "baseball culture" in order to get new fans (This is why markets such as St Louis and Milwaukee consistently outperform markets like Miami).
With that said, the MLB needs to restructure itself so that the game can grow again. America has made it clear that there are just way too many baseball games for most markets to digest. Even markets like Pittsburgh often have to give away tickets through radio promotions and such. Like any good business model, scarcity creates value. Too much of anything is never a good thing.
However, baseball's midwestern-heavy geographic footprint hurts the sport badly (no offense to the Midwest). Baseball needs growing new South markets like Raleigh and the Triangle would LOVE having them. IMO, it would be a good marriage......But with any good marriage, compromise is needed from both sides. New markets must understand that baseball requires a lot of support. Baseball needs to make itself a little less high maintenance so that markets (old and new) can support the sport.
MLB’s worst team (and it’s worse by a good margin than even the next team) still has a not-so-modest lead over any Carolina team.
(And I was surprised to see Panthers so low on attendance. Turns out the stadium is at capacity and has near 100% attendance. Capacity is 75K)
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The Panthers at 28th in terms of attendance? How is that even possible when they average over 73K for games.... and BOA is in the top 10 stadiums by seating capacity?
Cool shot. I was driving into downtown from the north yesterday, approaching via Capital Blvd. I'm loving all these colorful lights on buildings, would like to see more of that. The Wework building's very bright colored LEDs were on too and that is a real good look.
Yes I like what they did with One Glenwood. Even though at 10 stories it isn't very tall and it's out a little ways from the core, the lights really draw it a lot of attention from multiple angles. Helps expand how big downtown looks from I-40 at night. The renderings of it's twin going up look like it will be even flashier.
The Panthers at 28th in terms of attendance? How is that even possible when they average over 73K for games.... and BOA is in the top 10 stadiums by seating capacity?
This thread has devolved into sports team merits and attendance which is sort of clogging the actual development updates. There is an MLS thread in the Charlotte forum. Can y'all take it there please?
Charlotte is now the home of Truist Financial Corp
The combined bank’s employees began moving into Hearst Tower in uptown in August, a process that will continue in phases over the next couple of years. Once merged, Truist has the option to buy the 970,000-square-foot tower from Cousins Properties for $455.5 million. It is expected to exercise that option in the first quarter.
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