Look What the Senate Is Planning For Teachers and State Employees (Charlotte: low income, home)
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If you go that route you are going to have increased competition with private and religious schools for personal. Teaching in most public schools is a lot more stressful but the tradeoff is the retirement and medical benefits.
Increased competition is a good thing. Charter schools and private schools perform better on average, measured by students' academic progress between two points in time, because of competition. Providing vouchers so that families can attend these schools would not only give children more opportunity, but open more options for schoolteachers to find competitive benefits and pay.
Even the public schools would benefit in the long run, because they would have to operate more efficiently and effectively or risk being shuttered. They won't like losing their funding monopoly at first, but ultimately the children will benefit. Isn't that what it's all about?
Increased competition is a good thing. Charter schools and private schools perform better on average, measured by students' academic progress between two points in time, because of competition. Providing vouchers so that families can attend these schools would not only give children more opportunity, but open more options for schoolteachers to find competitive benefits and pay.
Even the public schools would benefit in the long run, because they would have to operate more efficiently and effectively or risk being shuttered. They won't like losing their funding monopoly at first, but ultimately the children will benefit. Isn't that what it's all about?
Charter schools are not required to hire all licensed teachers, have no curriculum requirements.
and no restrictions on class size and are exempt from most of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools.
Charter schools are not required to hire all licensed teachers, have no curriculum requirements.
and no restrictions on class size and are exempt from most of the rules, regulations, and statutes that apply to other public schools.
And yet private and charter schools perform far better at educating children, especially the poor and minority kids that the traditional public system so often fails. Amazing how that works!
But I digress. This thread is about benefits for teachers. Teachers would only benefit from the competitive job opportunities and choices that a more robust voucher system would provide. Existentially, they would also benefit from better educated students being passed into their classes, because of a stricter system of accountability for school performance. If a charter or private school is failing its students, it goes out of business. If a public school does the same, the only ones that suffer are the students themselves.
And yet private and charter schools perform far better at educating children, especially poor and minority kids that the traditional public system so often fails. Amazing how that works!
But I digress. This thread is about benefits for teachers. Teachers would only benefit from the competitive job opportunities and choices that a more robust voucher system would provide. Existentially, they would also benefit from better educated students being passed into their classes, because of a stricter system of accountability for school performance. If a charter or private school is failing its students, it goes out of business. If a public school does the same, the only ones that suffer are the students themselves.
There's several reasons why private and charter schools perform better than public schools. While there are plenty of waste within the public school system.(mainly way too top heavy) no amount of reforms will change the kids coming from a broken home.
Those poor and minority students that do well in the private and charter school settings do so because of a good homelife. They had parents that took advantage of the programs to get their children into such programs. If tomorrow you had a voucher program for every child in the state. there would still be a majority of poor and minority parents that wouldn't take advantage of it.
It's easy to cherry pick a few poor kids given free tuition to a private school, or the charter school that admits a few as well. That isn't real world. It's taking a few and saying look what we can do, but it isn't real world Take the same private school and put them in the middle of the ghetto, and give them the run of the mill ghetto kids and the results will be similar to that of the public schools.
It starts at home regardless of income or race. My wife taught for years in title one schools, and the children that had active parents at home did well. The ones that didn't traditionally did very poor. No she teaches in a middle to upper class school, and it's still the same. She has rich kids that come from a terrible home life, and guess what those kids do very poorly.
Regardless of political party, neither party talks about homelife. They want to talk about teacher responsibility. Test scores this and that. Both parties over the years have come up with new and exciting ways to improve education. The thing is until the homelife improves nothing will matter test scores will still be crap, and poor and minority students will continue to fail. I could fill pages of stories my wife has told me over the years of things that go on in these homes. More often or not, most of these kids are so screwed up by the time they start school, that there is no home for them. It would take years of intense therapy to put these kids on track. A loving home goes a long way towards defining success for a person.
There's several reasons why private and charter schools perform better than public schools. While there are plenty of waste within the public school system.(mainly way too top heavy) no amount of reforms will change the kids coming from a broken home.
Those poor and minority students that do well in the private and charter school settings do so because of a good homelife. They had parents that took advantage of the programs to get their children into such programs. If tomorrow you had a voucher program for every child in the state. there would still be a majority of poor and minority parents that wouldn't take advantage of it.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that home life is the most important factor. But schools can only do so much about that. Where public policy can help is by making sure that when the state offers opportunities, they are the most effective ones possible. Competitiveness and holding schools accountable for student growth will do far more for those students than throwing money into systems that are already not serving them effectively.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that home life is the most important factor. But schools can only do so much about that. Where public policy can help is by making sure that when the state offers opportunities, they are the most effective ones possible. Competitiveness and holding schools accountable for student growth will do far more for those students than throwing money into systems that are already not serving them effectively.
Again you're missing the point, but it's not surprising considering that all the huge decision makers miss the point. Even with more opportunities these people wouldn't take advantage of it. They can't put their kids to bed on time the night of the EOG'S do you really think they will fill out paperwork to get their child into a better school, and yet when this child fails the EOG it's the teachers fault.
I do agree it's not money. We spend plenty per student. Now we could cut some fat on the top.(as with any government agency there is ton's of waste) It comes down to breakdown of the traditional family make up over the last 50 years. Sadly I don't see any government program changing that. You can't legislate morality.
Again you're missing the point, but it's not surprising considering that all the huge decision makers miss the point. Even with more opportunities these people wouldn't take advantage of it. They can't put their kids to bed on time the night of the EOG'S do you really think they will fill out paperwork to get their child into a better school, and yet when this child fails the EOG it's the teachers fault.
If schools perform better because of increased competitiveness and accountability, then the poor kids would see benefits even if deadbeat parents did nothing.
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I do agree it's not money. We spend plenty per student. Now we could cut some fat on the top.(as with any government agency there is ton's of waste) It comes down to breakdown of the traditional family make up over the last 50 years. Sadly I don't see any government program changing that. You can't legislate morality.
As far as home-life, one thing that might help is decriminalizing drug offenses. A huge number of black fathers are in prison at any given time, many for non-violent drug infractions. Obviously, not all fathers will be engaged, but it could increase the opportunity to be involved with their children and decrease the number of broken homes.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly that home life is the most important factor. But schools can only do so much about that. Where public policy can help is by making sure that when the state offers opportunities, they are the most effective ones possible. Competitiveness and holding schools accountable for student growth will do far more for those students than throwing money into systems that are already not serving them effectively.
Do you not comprehend that public schools have to serve everyone? Private & charter schools generally have standards to apply. Plus, parents need to make an effort.
Plus, in their infinite wisdom, politicians think that it's a smart thing to give end of year exams to special ed students & count those scores against the school in public schools.
If schools perform better because of increased competitiveness and accountability, then the poor kids would see benefits even if deadbeat parents did nothing.
As far as home-life, one thing that might help is decriminalizing drug offenses. A huge number of black fathers are in prison at any given time, many for non-violent drug infractions. Obviously, not all fathers will be engaged, but it could increase the opportunity to be involved with their children and decrease the number of broken homes.
yes decriminalizing drug offenses would be great.
I'm telling you nothing will help a majority of these kids. If you haven't seen it firsthand you wouldn't understand. There's no teacher or school that is going to reach them. You have kids in 3rd grade that can't read. You have kids in kindergarten that don't know their colors or shapes, and to no fault of their own these kids aren't worried about learning, they are worried about surviving. Like I said most are so messed up mentally that they would require years of therapy. Their path is already laid by the time they reach school, and that's a 6x8 cell. The issue isn't test schools or teacher accountability. it's much much larger than that, but nobody wants to address it.
And yet private and charter schools perform far better at educating children, especially the poor and minority kids that the traditional public system so often fails. Amazing how that works!
But I digress. This thread is about benefits for teachers. Teachers would only benefit from the competitive job opportunities and choices that a more robust voucher system would provide. Existentially, they would also benefit from better educated students being passed into their classes, because of a stricter system of accountability for school performance. If a charter or private school is failing its students, it goes out of business. If a public school does the same, the only ones that suffer are the students themselves.
34 of North Carolina’s 100 charter schools failed to meet annual measurable objectives (2011-2012) and that is more serious than it looks, because in NC, the majority of charter schools are racially isolated and serve a far smaller percentage of low-income students than the traditional public schools.
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