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Old 04-05-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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I'm against fracking, coal and nuclear.

No More Fukushima Peace Walk 3.8.12
This was day when I joined walk with No Fukushima Peace Walk march from Zucotti Park to George Washington Bus Station on March 8th, 2012.

I have been on anti-fracking, anti-nuke rallies.
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Old 04-08-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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Finger Lakes winemakers to Cuomo: Ban fracking in New York (Commentary) | syracuse.com
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Old 04-08-2014, 02:58 PM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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I would agree with this op ed 100%. NY is not PA, no one is going into PA looking for wineries. Its an industry that could be easily jeopardized. An industry which is clean (for the most part, pesticide use on grape vines is pretty heavy but this is a relatively minor issue), brings in people from downstate with lots of money, and is exclusively reliant on aesthetic scenery and the feeling of a rural, clean landscape. No one goes to wineries in an industrial area.

Destroying one clean industry for one dirty industry is a bad idea all around. Polluters never admit to their pollution, and it takes years of litigation and millions of dollars to prove it (IF you even can) and get them to do anything. Onondaga Lake and the PCB's from GE in the Hudson are a good examples of this.
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Old 04-08-2014, 05:25 PM
 
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Two of the top three states for wine production account for like 93% of US production. Even if all NY wine was lost it's hardly a blip on the screen.

The loss of Mad Dog 20/20 would hit some areas harder then others though.

But NY has the largest heat and electricity needs of any state. Sometimes you have to break afew eggs to make an omlet.
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Old 04-08-2014, 07:17 PM
 
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Two of the top three states for wine production account for like 93% of US production. Even if all NY wine was lost it's hardly a blip on the screen.

The loss of Mad Dog 20/20 would hit some areas harder then others though.

But NY has the largest heat and electricity needs of any state. Sometimes you have to break afew eggs to make an omlet.
While California is in the lead by a far margin, NY is second in wine production and brings in quite a bit of revenue.
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Old 04-09-2014, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Not Oneida
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Ca is at 90%, Wa is 3% and NY is 3%.

Worry about wine over gas is tripping over dollars to pick up pennies.

It's time for some honesty in NY. We are the largest cold weather state in terms of population. NG is the best way to heat. If people are gonna make a choice to live in the cold they should supply there own heat. All the windmills in the world wouldn't heat NY for one winter.
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Old 04-09-2014, 05:31 AM
 
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Ca is at 90%, Wa is 3% and NY is 3%.

Worry about wine over gas is tripping over dollars to pick up pennies.

It's time for some honesty in NY. We are the largest cold weather state in terms of population. NG is the best way to heat. If people are gonna make a choice to live in the cold they should supply there own heat. All the windmills in the world wouldn't heat NY for one winter.
At what cost though? I understand getting a new industry started, but is it worth it if other industries will be killed, let alone the other environmental issues.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NY
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According to NYSERDA nearly 50% of US expenditures for heating and cooling are wasted due to inefficient housing, and NYS has the oldest (meaning very inefficient) housing stock in the country. It doesn't have quite the macho allure of ripping up the landscape with big equipment and drill rigs (and is decidedly not in the interest of the oil and gas industry or the handful of landowners who think they've got a shot at becoming $hale-ionnaires), but energy audits and simple caulk-guns and insulation would go a long way towards reducing consumption of energy in NYS.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY/NJ
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According to NYSERDA nearly 50% of US expenditures for heating and cooling are wasted due to inefficient housing, and NYS has the oldest (meaning very inefficient) housing stock in the country. It doesn't have quite the macho allure of ripping up the landscape with big equipment and drill rigs (and is decidedly not in the interest of the oil and gas industry or the handful of landowners who think they've got a shot at becoming $hale-ionnaires), but energy audits and simple caulk-guns and insulation would go a long way towards reducing consumption of energy in NYS.
Good to see you back, honeychrome.

I agree, this is a big part of energy loss in states like NY.

I can't understand how anyone can feel that its good to replace a natural, earth-based industry like wine production with gas drilling. SMH
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Old 04-11-2014, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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While NYS might be a distant 2nd to California, our wine production is increasing as new vineyards open. Why risk wine revenue and wine-related tourism dollars for fracking? As has been pointed out, let's address efficiency in current buildings first.

Just wondering -- how much of the gas fracked in other states stays there? Or is it shipped out of state and overseas? Just who is benefitting?
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