Manhattan neighborhoods/boundary issues are a clusterfck (New York, Union: luxury, quality of life)
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Anyone out there have what I would call the most balanced and unbiased ideas on the neighborhood boundaries in NYC. Here are some of the mind-twisting ones for me...
Greenwich Village?
-Is the West Village part of Greenwich village?
-Is the central village the new Greenwich village separated from the West Village?
If you live in a sub-neighborhood (Carnegie Hill in the UES) which one would you categorize as where you live?
Is Hells Kitchen officially renamed Clinton? Or is Hells Kitchen the southern side of Mid-town west and Clinton the northside?
What is the area north of Murray Hill, but south of the UES called? Is it just midtown-east?
Has Morningside Heights broken away from Harlem to be a distinct area for itself?
What are the boundaries of Harlem, minus morningside heights.
Where does Spanish Harlem border with the UES?
Is NoHo part of the East Village?
What are the real and actual boundaries of Chinatown currently? How does that work with the LES? If no overlap is used, the LES is pretty damn small.
How far as gentrification progressed in Mott Haven?
Do you believe the area around the new Yankee stadium will gentrify?
I know the club scene in Manhattan is dispersed, but what area would you consider a substantial club strip, not counting that st. in Chelsea where Bugalow 8 is currently located?
Yes, and Nolita is missing as well. And the old Five Points descriptor seems to have been omitted as well. Some of the neighborhoods are not as distinct as the map portrays, but that's the beauty of Manhattan neighborhoods since they're always in flux. Just look at the changes in what is now accepted as Chinatown, compared to what it was twenty years ago.
And, if you ask three New Yorkers as to what is any given neighborhood, you're likely to get five different answers.
To the OP's questions:
Greenwich Village and what is called the West Village are generally thought of as one neighborhood, as Greenwich Village is west of Broadway.
Some people use the subgrouping of their area and others do not. Some say Carnegie Hill or Central Park West or use a landmark such as Union Square to describe where they live, but it depends upon the audience since many more will understand what the Upper East Side means as opposed to Carnegie Hill or Yorkville.
Clinton and Hell's Kitchen and Midtown West is a subject of considerable debate. The old definition for what was Hell's Kitchen was 34th to 59th and 8th to the river. Beginning in the late 1950s, the Clinton name appeared on the scene in an attempt to tie the area to DeWitt Clinton Park and downplay the negative associations of the Hell's Kitchen name.
Spanish Harlem and the UES have traditionally met at 96th Street.
NoHo is not the East Village, it divides Greenwich Village from the East Village, save for the northernmost of the Villages which do meet.
Chinatown now extends to around Chambers in the South, Broadway to the West, and there's debate as to how far above Canal that the district exists today, since some think that it has encroached and eroded Little Italy. Chinatown does overlap with the LES, at least I think of it as doing so.
As for gentrification issues in the Bronx. At the risk of starting arguments, I think that for it to really be sustained, some of the neighborhood ills that have contributed to decline and a poor quality of life must be addressed before any real foothold will be gained. The stadium area will likely spur some new development and some rehabilitation of housing, but the congestion of game days and the new congestion of the mall in an already congested neighborhood are not likely to be in favor of the trend towards larger scale gentrification in the immediate area. There's no luxury in overlooking the Deegan with persistent bumper-to-bumper traffiic. Closer to the Concourse, well, along the Concourse itself, one might be more likely to see such trends gain more of a foothold, owing to many of the older buildings that when originally built were middle and upper middle class residences. And, since the Concourse was originally patterned on the Champs Elysees, the width of the boulevard and the medians do tend to make for a more open canyon in the city and a less congested feel from buildings across the boulevard.
...And if you think this has been awful, just wait until UrbanQuest discovers the other four boroughs!
There's a world outside Manhattan?! This is shocking.. appalling! Breaking news!!
I find that a lot of people who don't live in Manhattan don't even know the names of most of the neighborhoods and say they're going to a certain street, or refer to it as uptown, midtown, and downtown.
Thanks for the replys. I surprised that Noho seperates the East village and Greenwich village. I though it was a sub-neighborhood of the East village like Alphabet City. This is what I have come to find about Manhattan's neighborhoos;
East Village: Broadway to the East River and Houston to 14th st. Sub-neighborhoods include Noho and Alphabet City
Greenwich Village: Broadway to the Hudson and Houston to 14th st. Sub-neighborhoods include the meatpacking district.
Chelsea: Fifth ave to the Hudson and 14th st to 34th st.
Clinton: 8th ave to the Hudson and 34 th st to 59th st.
LES: Bowery to the East River and Grand st to Houston st. Chinatown overlaps by covering the part of the LES from Delancey st to Grand st.
Little Italy: From Grand to Canal only including Mulberry and Mott sts, then above Grand it is goes from the Bowery to Lafayette (Nolita).
Chinatown: Delancey or Grand to Chambers st./Park Row and W. Broadway to East Broadway to where it meets Grand st.
Murray Hill/Kips Bay: 1st ave to 5th ave above 29th 1st ave to Park below 29th st, from 42nd st. to 23rd st.
Gramercy: 1st ave to Park and 23rd to 14th aves.
Soho: Lafayette to the Hudson and Houston to Canal sts.
Wow interesting map there. Shows you how subjective these things can be. Because up until recently for example, Hamilton Heights wasn't even considered a real neighborhood. People just called it Harlem. Also as far as I know the beginning of Wash Heights, has always been considered the 155-160 area not 145.
Wow interesting map there. Shows you how subjective these things can be. Because up until recently for example, Hamilton Heights wasn't even considered a real neighborhood. People just called it Harlem. Also as far as I know the beginning of Wash Heights, has always been considered the 155-160 area not 145.
NooYowker81 we finally agree on something. Hamilton Heights is part of Harlem. and Washington Heights does start at 155th St. Morningside Heights is also part of Harlem.
The map that Seventhfloor put up on another thread is a much more accurate map. Maybe he will put it on this thread.
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Borough of Manhattan neighborhood map
