Official Coronavirus Thread (any other threads made about coronavirus will be closed) (New York: abandoned, hipster)
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What is with this tomfoolery at 7:00pm where medical workers gather up to self congratulate each other while not practicing social distancing with members of the FDNY who are not in any type of personal protective equipment ?
We are on the back end of the peak now, looks like deaths should continue dropping starting today
Not possible, they are about to go way up. All those increased hospitalizations on that steep climb 2-3 weeks ago are going to yield corpses on the same trend on a lagging basis. That 800/day is easily going to go over 1000/day before coming down, worst case as high as 3000 dead per day
Last edited by BlakeJones; 04-10-2020 at 03:28 PM..
Since I've been forced to copy/paste this into this thread, although it feels out of place, but nevertheless, here goes:
What are the LONG TERM implications of a pandemic on the city of New York, and to a lesser extent, urban life in America
It's a question with some practical, some philosophical aspects to an answer.
The city has thus far been hardest hit of anywhere in the US. Many of us germaphobes knew deep down a super dense, international, crowded, not particularly clean city would be the perfect breeding ground for a pandemic. All of a sudden, the lure of a dense metropolis with questionable hygienic standards is gone, which was part of the selling point of NYC: live close to every amenity and job, take packed dirty subways everywhere instead of cars, get coffee in shops that never have an empty seat, party in sweaty nightclubs, eat exotic food from countries where the next virus might be brewing. Already, many transplants have lost their gig jobs and have temporarily gone back home. For better or worse, a lot of these people may never return if the economy doesn't recover fast.
What do I see happening? First and foremost, wealthy and middle class families will only accelerate their plans to leave this over-taxed, increasingly crime ridden city, further diminishing the tax base. Many corporations will also re-think their presence here, as it becomes harder to attract young employees from other parts of the country to a city so vulnerable to pandemics and terrorism, and as they too can operate in lower tax states like Georgia or Texas. This will mean less "young professional" transplants moving in too. Real estate prices will take a hit. Eventually, the city will be left with the poor and illegal immigrants with a small handful of wealthy Manhattanites. And maybe some young, hipster artistic types like Berlin. Crime will go up and taxes will go up.
Of course, these are just predictions based on the way things look. A quick economic recovery might mean things go back to business as usual fast. But was "business as usual" in NYC really going in the right direction to begin with, crazy high taxes and housing cost included? Will the pandemic change people's appetites for urban living or will there continue to be a place for it in American society, perhaps more in large cities where there is less density and car ownership is feasible like LA, Chicago or Minneapolis?
There are reports in other countries of cured Coronavirus survivor coming as positives after they are discharged from the hospital. I’m wondering if there are any similar reports in NYC?
Right now they are trying to figure out if these are reactivations of the virus or if the cured people are getting infected again. Either scenarios is bad, because it proves that humans can’t develop a immunity to this virus. Once a person is infected, they might have recurring bouts through the rest of their lives or the virus is very persistent in killing people and will not give up until it reaches its goal.
The other question that arises is what happens to infected people with no symptoms. When it comes back, is the infection stronger? Will it be a recurring theme as they get older and finally kills them too?
Since I've been forced to copy/paste this into this thread, although it feels out of place, but nevertheless, here goes:
What are the LONG TERM implications of a pandemic on the city of New York, and to a lesser extent, urban life in America
It's a question with some practical, some philosophical aspects to an answer.
The city has thus far been hardest hit of anywhere in the US. Many of us germaphobes knew deep down a super dense, international, crowded, not particularly clean city would be the perfect breeding ground for a pandemic. All of a sudden, the lure of a dense metropolis with questionable hygienic standards is gone, which was part of the selling point of NYC: live close to every amenity and job, take packed dirty subways everywhere instead of cars, get coffee in shops that never have an empty seat, party in sweaty nightclubs, eat exotic food from countries where the next virus might be brewing. Already, many transplants have lost their gig jobs and have temporarily gone back home. For better or worse, a lot of these people may never return if the economy doesn't recover fast.
What do I see happening? First and foremost, wealthy and middle class families will only accelerate their plans to leave this over-taxed, increasingly crime ridden city, further diminishing the tax base. Many corporations will also re-think their presence here, as it becomes harder to attract young employees from other parts of the country to a city so vulnerable to pandemics and terrorism, and as they too can operate in lower tax states like Georgia or Texas. This will mean less "young professional" transplants moving in too. Real estate prices will take a hit. Eventually, the city will be left with the poor and illegal immigrants with a small handful of wealthy Manhattanites. And maybe some young, hipster artistic types like Berlin. Crime will go up and taxes will go up.
Of course, these are just predictions based on the way things look. A quick economic recovery might mean things go back to business as usual fast. But was "business as usual" in NYC really going in the right direction to begin with, crazy high taxes and housing cost included? Will the pandemic change people's appetites for urban living or will there continue to be a place for it in American society, perhaps more in large cities where there is less density and car ownership is feasible like LA, Chicago or Minneapolis?
Great question, and if I take the question as stated, what is the LONG TERM implication, my answer is essentially nothing changes. Just like the terrorist attacks in wall street in 1920, at the WTC in 1993 and 2001, the great depression, the Cholera/Typhoid plagues, the Spanish Flu, we all get up and move on. Those that can't deal leave and are quickly replaced, NYC continues to evolve with survival of the fittest.
Short term, things may get bad. The housing market will crash because of the recent rent laws and because of mortgage defaults due to COVID. There will be some traumatized who will leave, and they will be replaced by people finally seeing an opportunity to get in. The city may go bankrupt because of De Blasio's mismanagement, but cuts will be made, pain will be had, and we will just get over it like nothing happened like we always have
if these are reactivations of the virus or if the cured people are getting infected again..
You forgot to mention the third option. Human error. The tests may of been shody. They sped through so many people so fast using barely proven tests it makes sense if they're sloppy and people slip though with false positives or negatives.
The prediction of deaths continuing to drop through the end of the month in NY
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