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Stop and Frisk is nothing more than one step closer to totalitarian rule. Arguing that's for the "greater good" is pure bull. Probable cause is pure bull. <sigh> the Patriot Act has made a mockery out of our constitution.
Wanna talk about the "greater good"? It's for the greater good to declare martial law. Most crimes happen after dark, so shoot anybody outside after curfew. Alcohol causes a wide variety of problems for our society, so for the greater good, let's outlaw alcohol again. Guns - people use guns to commit crimes, so for the greater good, let's take all the guns away. Prescription painkillers are now an epidemic problem in America. For the greater good, they too should be banned. Same thing with tobacco, costs millions upon millions to our healthcare budget - ban it. Gas guzzling SUVs - bad for the planet, let's ban them too. For the greater good.......of course.
The point is - once Pandora's Box is opened, how do you get it shut again? Just how much government intervention do you want in your life? The fact is - the constitution and our rights as United States citizens are being butchered. Letting it happen in the name of "The Greater Good" doesn't make it right.
Some guy from another state telling us about how to deal with crime in New York City... I wonder where all of these experts were when the city was trying to figure out how to fight out of control crime rates.
Stop and Frisk is nothing more than one step closer to totalitarian rule. Arguing that's for the "greater good" is pure bull. Probable cause is pure bull. <sigh> the Patriot Act has made a mockery out of our constitution.
Wanna talk about the "greater good"? It's for the greater good to declare martial law. Most crimes happen after dark, so shoot anybody outside after curfew. Alcohol causes a wide variety of problems for our society, so for the greater good, let's outlaw alcohol again. Guns - people use guns to commit crimes, so for the greater good, let's take all the guns away. Prescription painkillers are now an epidemic problem in America. For the greater good, they too should be banned. Same thing with tobacco, costs millions upon millions to our healthcare budget - ban it. Gas guzzling SUVs - bad for the planet, let's ban them too. For the greater good.......of course.
The point is - once Pandora's Box is opened, how do you get it shut again? Just how much government intervention do you want in your life? The fact is - the constitution and our rights as United States citizens are being butchered. Letting it happen in the name of "The Greater Good" doesn't make it right.
I can understand how frustrated those innocent people can feel when being stopped and frisked once and again...it is simply an annoyment even if you have nothing to fear about being a criminal.
however, power is linked with money. There are a lot of criminals on wall street and in city power houses including the NYPDs in terms of financial crime and power corrupts. But you do not have the means to stop and frisk them.
Mr. Riverdale has the point that S&F does help to reduce crime and it seems like the most cost effective means so far in NYC.
How can anyone say the cops are using their experience and training properly when practically every time they stop someone they come up empty? And where else can you say you did your job correctly 10 percent of the time and receive praise?
How can anyone say the cops are using their experience and training properly when practically every time they stop someone they come up empty? And where else can you say you did your job correctly 10 percent of the time and receive praise?
How can anyone say that just because you S & F someone and no arrest is made that you haven't prevented a crime from occurring?
You don't think you looked suspicious, but that doesn't mean that you weren't. You don't know what was going on. You could've been in the middle of a sting operation.
And unless he and his lover where caught doing a crime, or reported to be running away from a crime, there was no reason to stop them. The cop has to have more than suspicion to go on.
Stop and Frisk is nothing more than one step closer to totalitarian rule. Arguing that's for the "greater good" is pure bull. Probable cause is pure bull. <sigh> the Patriot Act has made a mockery out of our constitution.
Wanna talk about the "greater good"? It's for the greater good to declare martial law. Most crimes happen after dark, so shoot anybody outside after curfew. Alcohol causes a wide variety of problems for our society, so for the greater good, let's outlaw alcohol again. Guns - people use guns to commit crimes, so for the greater good, let's take all the guns away. Prescription painkillers are now an epidemic problem in America. For the greater good, they too should be banned. Same thing with tobacco, costs millions upon millions to our healthcare budget - ban it. Gas guzzling SUVs - bad for the planet, let's ban them too. For the greater good.......of course.
The point is - once Pandora's Box is opened, how do you get it shut again? Just how much government intervention do you want in your life? The fact is - the constitution and our rights as United States citizens are being butchered. Letting it happen in the name of "The Greater Good" doesn't make it right.
Bloomberg wanted to outlaw soda for the greater good, but fortunately the courts struck down that attempt. Bloomberg wanted to charge NYC residents a toll just to drive into Manhattan for the greater good, but the state legislature struck that down big time.
I can understand how frustrated those innocent people can feel when being stopped and frisked once and again...it is simply an annoyment even if you have nothing to fear about being a criminal.
however, power is linked with money. There are a lot of criminals on wall street and in city power houses including the NYPDs in terms of financial crime and power corrupts. But you do not have the means to stop and frisk them.
Mr. Riverdale has the point that S&F does help to reduce crime and it seems like the most cost effective means so far in NYC.
What crime is it reducing when most of the people stopped have nothing on them ,and of the few that do have something on them, in most cases it was just drugs?
What crime is it reducing when most of the people stopped have nothing on them ,and of the few that do have something on them, in most cases it was just drugs?
Apparently some people have no idea about what deterring crime means and it's not just stopping a crime that is in the process of occurring or that is occurring. That's a proactive stance. If we took that approach, we would've been hit yet again by the terrorists.
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Originally Posted by NyWriterdude
And unless he and his lover where caught doing a crime, or reported to be running away from a crime, there was no reason to stop them. The cop has to have more than suspicion to go on.
Were you there to come to the conclusion that he wasn't doing anything suspicious? All we have is his word. We don't have the cops' side.
How can anyone say that just because you S & F someone and no arrest is made that you haven't prevented a crime from occurring?
because when they stopped me, I had no weapons, or anything for that matter on me, I was just walking down the block. Since when is that a crime?
I was not thinking about committing a crime, nor planning one. Thus, they didnt prevent a crime
the cops are a bunch of power hungry morons.
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Since when is that a crime?
