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Today i had an appt for an EKG on 2426 Eastchester Rd between Mace and Waring. I arrived by taking Waring east from Williamsbridge Rd, parked on the street by the Vozza and Huguenot Law Office. It felt as "suburban" as N Riverdale but different in it's own way. Many of the businesses were Italian owned. 'd assume this nice area is still heavily italian. Is it still?
Today i had an appt for an EKG on 2426 Eastchester Rd between Mace and Waring. I arrived by taking Waring east from Williamsbridge Rd, parked on the street by the Vozza and Huguenot Law Office. It felt as "suburban" as N Riverdale but different in it's own way. Many of the businesses were Italian owned. 'd assume this nice area is still heavily italian. Is it still?
Yes,definitely but I think the Italian population is below 50% at this point.Lots and lots of chinese have moved into that area in the last 5 years.They could be approaching 20% now.Also a lot of Albanians and Hispanics.If I had to estimate,I would say 40% still Italian,at least 15% Asian,15% Albanian,20% Hispanic and about 10% black.
There is a really good Italian restaurant on Eastchester called Fratelli.Near Mace,on the East side.
Also a nice Italian market,Battaglia's,on the corner of Mace and a weird Albanian bar I recently discovered on Mace just West of Eastchester Rd.
why would so many long time Italians(or whoever had lived there for a long time) flee an area that is so clean and decent? unless its to have a bigger property...
why would so many long time Italians(or whoever had lived there for a long time) flee an area that is so clean and decent? unless its to have a bigger property...
I personally never understood this myself. I think it has to do with the older Italians staying there until they die off, and their kids end up moving as they get older and that their kids can go to better schools.
why would so many long time Italians(or whoever had lived there for a long time) flee an area that is so clean and decent? unless its to have a bigger property...
There hasn't really been that much Italian flight from that neighborhood,or Morris Park,when you think about it.The loss of the Italian population has been more of a small steady leak over a 40 or 50 year period rather than some kind of "flight",as in The South Bronx or other NYC areas, where the entire demographic flipped totally in the space of 10 years or so.When the real old timers die yes,some of their houses get sold to "outsiders" but most are still passed down in the family or sold to other Italians who grew up in the area.Lots of younger Italian families with little kids still there,mostly sending their kids to Catholic schools.
The fact that the area still has a 60% or 70% white population in a city that is only 40% white and in a borough that is only 15 or 20% white speaks to a stability rather than any big "flight."
If there has been any "flight" from this area it was was the jews ,because even when the white population of the neighborhood was 80 or 90% white it was never more than maybe 55 or 60 % Italian. The other 25 or 30% were jews and they are now down to maybe 5% at most.Even the Jews didn't really flee though.Unlike the Italians,virtually none of the younger Jews stayed after the 1970's.They had more upward mobility and kids left for college and never came back,except to visit aging parents and grand parents.They all became doctors,lawyers or accountants and moved Manhattan or Westchester.Most of the Jews left in the neighborhood now are quite old.There are a few old Jewish ladies in my building that have been here since they got married in the 1950's !
There hasn't really been that much Italian flight from that neighborhood,or Morris Park,when you think about it.The loss of the Italian population has been more of a small steady leak over a 40 or 50 year period rather than some kind of "flight",as in The South Bronx or other NYC areas, where the entire demographic flipped totally in the space of 10 years or so.When the real old timers die yes,some of their houses get sold to "outsiders" but most are still passed down in the family or sold to other Italians who grew up in the area.Lots of younger Italian families with little kids still there,mostly sending their kids to Catholic schools.
The fact that the area still has a 60% or 70% white population in a city that is only 40% white and in a borough that is only 15 or 20% white speaks to a stability rather than any big "flight."
If there has been any "flight" from this area it was was the jews ,because even when the white population of the neighborhood was 80 or 90% white it was never more than maybe 55 or 60 % Italian. The other 25 or 30% were jews and they are now down to maybe 5% at most.Even the Jews didn't really flee though.Unlike the Italians,virtually none of the younger Jews stayed after the 1970's.They had more upward mobility and kids left for college and never came back,except to visit aging parents and grand parents.They all became doctors,lawyers or accountants and moved Manhattan or Westchester.Most of the Jews left in the neighborhood now are quite old.There are a few old Jewish ladies in my building that have been here since they got married in the 1950's !
I agree with a lot of what you say here bluedog. Italians are not the ones that usually flee. They usually are the last to leave. I saw it growing up. Look at Belmont and other Italian enclaves that stayed in their Bronx neighborhoods even through the 70's and 80's when the Bronx was burning. The neighborhood I grew up in the Bronx was an Italian ghetto (not this one) that survived well into the 80's. What happened was that my generation (second generation American) moved away while our grandparents and parents stayed on. We would come back and visit mom and pop on Sundays but moved to the suburbs to "a better life." Now most of them regret the changes to the old neighborhood refusing to place blame on themselves where it really belongs. If you really wanted the neighborhood to remain Italian, you need to have Italian people live there!
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