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Old 09-12-2011, 08:00 PM
 
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Lets not worry about the crime in NYCHA projects, or the quality of health care and education available to it's residents. The lack of cable tv options should obviously be the top priority of NYCHA and Bloomberg.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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That must be similar to the tax breaks and outright public funding that private developers get for building luxury high-rises right?
Only proves that the poor steal from the middle and so do the rich. Welcome to the USA.

What's your point?
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Only proves that the poor steal from the middle and so do the rich. Welcome to the USA.

What's your point?
Everyone gets incentives from the government in some form and at some point in their lives. If you're a farmer you likely get government subsidies, or you may work for a company that got a government grant of some kind, or you're a developer that got half his project funded by the city but got to keep most of the profits, or maybe you are retired and are collecting social security. The list is almost endless.

So my point is that its self serving and pointless to criticize a person who lives in subsidized housing and single them out for "stealing" from the middle class. The vast majority of people in the country have received some type of aid directly or indirectly from the government and that is *always* forgotten during this discussions.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:31 AM
 
Location: West Harlem
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So my point is that its self serving and pointless to criticize a person who lives in subsidized housing and single them out for "stealing" from the middle class. The vast majority of people in the country have received some type of aid directly or indirectly from the government and that is *always* forgotten during this discussions.
Yes, there is a trend to lump everyone, welfare or not, under the same rubric. This is wrong. There is a basic distinction between working people who have been hard-hit by the recession and generational welfare types.

Where I live, most of the project residents are the latter. Actually, all of the ones I know are, but I am willing to concede that there could be exceptions of which I am currently unaware. They also own SUVs and scream about services and reduction in parking places while they litter everywhere and refuse to supervise their children. Indeed, in response, they bear more children whom they cannot support and for whom they refuse to care responsibly. They file law suits when people attempt to build schools on "their" land. They shoot each other over supposed issues, and sometimes they hit innocent bystanders. But I digress.

Now I must pay for their cable TV, along with my own bills and the tax monies I am already spending ?

I will be more than willing to do this when the projects are filled with working-class people, currently disenfranchised. I am not willing to do this for the career welfare recipient.

Anyone who refuses to work is stealing from the middle class. No work ? Clean up the garbage in your neighborhood. Do something besides hanging out.
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