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Old 10-08-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Not listed is Salem because it is no longer in the bottom 5. Cumberland and Cape May are too far away from Philly and white collar industry.
i have no idea what you're talking about. you seem to be making up criteria as you go along. You say the data YOU posted indicates "It reflects the general migration west and south and stronger economic growth in much of SJ." When I refuted that by saying the income of the 2 poorest counties in NNJ grew at greater percentage than those of SJ (thus widening the gap), you basically say "those SJ counties don't count". I'd argue that Morris, Somerset and Hunterdon are as far, if not further, to NYC than Cumberland county is to Philly, yet those 3 are some of the top in the NATION.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:46 PM
 
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i have no idea what you're talking about. you seem to be making up criteria as you go along. You say the data YOU posted indicates "It reflects the general migration west and south and stronger economic growth in much of SJ." When I refuted that by saying the income of the 2 poorest counties in NNJ grew at greater percentage than those of SJ (thus widening the gap), you basically say "those SJ counties don't count". I'd argue that Morris, Somerset and Hunterdon are as far, if not further, to NYC than Cumberland county is to Philly, yet those 3 are some of the top in the NATION.
20-30 years ago, the poorest counties in NJ were primiarly in the South. Today, only 2 of the bottom 5 are in the southern part of the state.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:52 PM
 
Location: NJ
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just noticed skillman and bellemeade are high, what are they like??? Never been that way yet?
skillman and belle mead are in somerset county, and part of montgomery township. very nice, suburban, no 'main street'. very wealthy. not quite as "hilly" as northern counties, more "farmish".
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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What's REALLY interesting is that Philadelphia is almost entirely red. Let's see the map for Manhattan...I bet it's all green except for Harlem, Morningside Heights and Washington Heights.
Very interesting (and sad), indeed. However, you will see that a small piece of Philadelphia (eastern Center City, to be exact, and the eastern portion of University City) are orange instead of red. I guess all the high incomes in those neighborhoods are enough to push the averages up. Actually, the incomes in Center City are quite high, and I'm a little suprised that there's not some green in certain zip codes. Either way, very interesting to look at. Thanks for posting.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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i have no idea what you're talking about. you seem to be making up criteria as you go along.
He does that.
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:40 PM
 
Location: 32°19'03.7"N 106°43'55.9"W
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Hey mike - what program do you use to generate these maps?
ArcGIS: The Complete Enterprise System
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Historic Downtown Jersey City
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Thanks for posting the Manhattan map. I forgot to account for the fact that there are so many renters in Manhattan, and also single people (so therefore one income). Makes sense. But a lot of green zones regardless!

I was very interested (and pleased) to see that my neighborhood (Downtown Jersey City, the Yellow section just below Hoboken's Yellow) has a higher income than Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights, and Williamsburg, 3 very desirable NYC neighborhoods.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:10 PM
 
Location: NJ
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20-30 years ago, the poorest counties in NJ were primiarly in the South. Today, only 2 of the bottom 5 are in the southern part of the state.
hudson county's been in the bottom 5 for 40 yrs. incidentally, over the past 50 yrs, burlington county is not one that has made tremendous strides - it's been pretty status quo (hovering between #7 and #10 - its' best showing was in '69). Atlantic, Sussex, Warren and Ocean and Hunterdon (#14 to #1!) are those counties really showing an increase in family income, and none of those are in the "Philly" sphere.
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:34 PM
 
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I cannot speak for the 40 year growth of Burlington County, but despite high % of affordable housing since the 1980s, it is currently one of the growth drivers of the State, as evidenced by Y/Y change in income growth. Income growth in BC will be well above the State for years. There's been a ton of high end homes built, corporate parks opening and general better economic climate than most parts of the state. The only area that would rival it would be Somerset/Hunterdon County corridor and SC ranks 7th, HC 4th. Atlantic County ranks 5th, Cumberland 6th. So, really, 4 SJ counties of the top 6 counties in NJ are currently leading the state in income growth.

1. Passaic 9.2%
2. Burlington 8.0%
3. Mercer 7.6%
4. Hunterdon 7.5%
5. Atlantic 6.8%
6. Cumberland 6.7*

State Average 3.9%

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Old 10-08-2008, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Villanova Pa.
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i have no idea what you're talking about. you seem to be making up criteria as you go along.


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He does that.

Thats my boy! Fabrication,exaggeration and misrepresentation.


The Philly map doesnt look quite right. There should be some yellow downtown(Soceity Hill-Rittenhouse-Fitler) and some yellow NW Philly (Chestnut Hill) some orange in Mt Airy,East Falls,Manayunk,Roxborough,Andorra.

Mike can you get a blow up of Philly?
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