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Old 10-04-2020, 08:59 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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But again, The Matrix only copies what others had already done better, from Dark City to Blade Runner to GAP commercials.
Don't forget The Crow (1994). I re-watched it this year and it's still a good film.
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Old 10-06-2020, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Yeah that is why the later Matrix movies failed. More elaborate fights than the substance and novel effects. The beauty in the original Matrix was all the commentary about plotting around through life until someone tells you the dirty secret. It is no wonder conservatives use the "red pill" analogy for people that suddenly become conservatives.

Bullet-time really only was effective in the scene of The Matrix. Other movies including the sequels tried it and honestly, it never worked as good or genuine. There is a reason it hasn't been used since even if it would work in some superhero movies like Justice League with The Flash or Spider-Man movies.

Yeah, this is a good point. The underlying and unique symbolism was as big of a part of the appeal of the original Matrix, as were the action scenes. The sequels relied on action, but couldn't maintain the uniqueness of the underlying story.


It's a shame because I remember how complex the underlying story/plot was in the original, and everyone had their own opinions on how they described what the Matrix actually was. People thought that in the sequels they would continue to peel away at that, but it never happened. I was super let down by the sequels.
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Old 10-07-2020, 04:17 PM
 
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Don't forget The Crow (1994). I re-watched it this year and it's still a good film.
I really need to see this movie, apparently. I always thought it sounded kind of hokey (I even read through the synopsis on IMDB and wasn't sure what I was supposed to be so impressed by), but I keep hearing people say what a great movie it was, and I guess I need to watch it to find out why.
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Old 10-07-2020, 04:35 PM
 
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I like the first movie, think its sci-fi classic. The biggest weakness in it for me was Neo quickly choosing the red pill when Morpheus refuses to explain anything in any detail. Devil is always in details and they can indeed be explained in words in real time, you dont have to see it from outside and in process apparently volunteer to join some military rebel group. That could been mentioned. Jumping into such situation reeks of some cult and drinking the kool-aid. Course I would walked earlier when gun pointed at me and being told its our way or the hiway. Neo was just a push over. If it was so important to Morpheus to have him join, Neo had lot bargaining power for more information.
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Old 10-08-2020, 06:21 PM
 
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I really need to see this movie, apparently. I always thought it sounded kind of hokey (I even read through the synopsis on IMDB and wasn't sure what I was supposed to be so impressed by), but I keep hearing people say what a great movie it was, and I guess I need to watch it to find out why.
Worth a watch. Very sad in so many ways, not least that Brandon Lee died during filming.
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Old 10-08-2020, 06:25 PM
 
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Yeah that is why the later Matrix movies failed. More elaborate fights than the substance and novel effects. The beauty in the original Matrix was all the commentary about plotting around through life until someone tells you the dirty secret. It is no wonder conservatives use the "red pill" analogy for people that suddenly become conservatives.

Bullet-time really only was effective in the scene of The Matrix. Other movies including the sequels tried it and honestly, it never worked as good or genuine. There is a reason it hasn't been used since even if it would work in some superhero movies like Justice League with The Flash or Spider-Man movies.
Although I did enjoy when Neo was fighting thousands of Smiths.

No Hugo Weaving in Matrix 4? #HugeFail
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Old 10-09-2020, 04:14 PM
 
Location: 404
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Over a decade past peak oil, many scifi tropes are past their prime: AI, clanking metal humanoid robots, space travel, etc. Dystopias can be made of constant net access by smartphone and other current trends, but I expect them to run out of fuel before such films can become classics, while the movie industry also runs out of fuel.
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Old 10-09-2020, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I took my son to the first two. They were better than the mind numbing Pokémon film. That was akin to psychological torture.
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