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Old 02-12-2013, 10:46 PM
 
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Nice little time capsule here. If you ever wanted to see what Hollywood looked like in 1930-1931, this short is for you. The tour includes the Brown Derby and a premiere at Grauman's Chinese Theater.

This is great! Thanks!
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Old 12-03-2021, 10:52 AM
 
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In the USA, between the years of 1930 and 1950, just about all color movies and cartoons were shot in Technicolor. It is hard to encounter any other color process being used for movies or cartoons rather than Technicolor itself during that period. Then Eastmancolor came out in early 50s.

Kodak had introduced Kodacrome in 1935 but I couldn't find one single color movie to be shot that way.

If any of you guys know a movie shot in Kodacrome 1, please inform me.

Aside from that, Germans had Agfacolor in 1930s which was used for both color photography and montion pictures.

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Old 12-03-2021, 07:19 PM
 
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In the USA, between the years of 1930 and 1950, just about all color movies and cartoons were shot in Technicolor. It is hard to encounter any other color process being used for movies or cartoons rather than Technicolor itself during that period. Then Eastmancolor came out in early 50s.

Kodak had introduced Kodacrome in 1935 but I couldn't find one single color movie to be shot that way.

If any of you guys know a movie shot in Kodacrome 1, please inform me.

Aside from that, Germans had Agfacolor in 1930s which was used for both color photography and montion pictures.
From 1930 to 1950, almost all movies were shot in black and white on nitrate film stock, which gave a gorgeous picture, far better than what followed in the acetate and polyester stocks. You have to see it to understand. It is a completely different experience.

Kodachrome was initially an EXTREMELY slow and costly film, with all sorts of issues in motion pictures - it got better, but not enough to make inroads. Agfa (which came much later) had color shift, but in a different direction than Eastman (which went vinegar red). I've used Agfa, Kodachrome, the various Kodak "X" films, Ektachrome, Cibachrome, and litho and H&W developers in still photography.

Three strip technicolor was great for archival quality, but a total bear in production.

Please remember that ortho film stock was the standard until the pan film stocks got introduced. You cannot make realistic color until the limitations of ortho are addressed. There were two color and three color attempts made, but with limited success.

I had the great honor of meeting and talking with John Smith from Kodak in the early 1970s, who was the historian of the company and promotor of quality use of the film stocks. I suspect that he could give much more information on how animation was approached and what the challenges were back before the 1950s.
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Old 12-04-2021, 01:44 AM
 
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From 1930 to 1950, almost all movies were shot in black and white on nitrate film stock, which gave a gorgeous picture, far better than what followed in the acetate and polyester stocks. You have to see it to understand. It is a completely different experience.

Kodachrome was initially an EXTREMELY slow and costly film, with all sorts of issues in motion pictures - it got better, but not enough to make inroads. Agfa (which came much later) had color shift, but in a different direction than Eastman (which went vinegar red). I've used Agfa, Kodachrome, the various Kodak "X" films, Ektachrome, Cibachrome, and litho and H&W developers in still photography.

Three strip technicolor was great for archival quality, but a total bear in production.

Please remember that ortho film stock was the standard until the pan film stocks got introduced. You cannot make realistic color until the limitations of ortho are addressed. There were two color and three color attempts made, but with limited success.

I had the great honor of meeting and talking with John Smith from Kodak in the early 1970s, who was the historian of the company and promotor of quality use of the film stocks. I suspect that he could give much more information on how animation was approached and what the challenges were back before the 1950s.
Agfacolor didn't come much later than Kodachrome. It was released in 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agfacolor

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I don't know if you counted Technicolor as black and white above but they were getting color by using those color filters, red, green and blue. I don't know everything to the full detail because every information on internet is in english and english is my foreign language but I accepted Technicolor as color myself. Wrong or True.

I watched too many movies between 1930 and 1950 in Technicolor. Both 2 strip and 3 strip. There are a lot of movies shot in Technicolor during that time. Gone with the wind and The Wizard of Oz are no exception.

In 1929, movies became in sound and before that time, in very, very little parts of the movies were in Technicolor but as the silent movies were over, they started shooting movies in Technicolor to the full with the latest version of 2 strip Technicolor, which was unlike before. But it was after 3 strip Technicolor came, when color films became more commonly made

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...hnicolor_films

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Old 12-04-2021, 08:08 PM
 
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You might enjoy the website of my late friend Marty Hart: American WideScreen Museum - provided as a public service by Martin Hart

Marty was the go-to guy for much of the technical aspects of film history. You may find that his site answers a lot of your questions.
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Old 12-05-2021, 05:18 AM
 
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You might enjoy the website of my late friend Marty Hart: American WideScreen Museum - provided as a public service by Martin Hart

Marty was the go-to guy for much of the technical aspects of film history. You may find that his site answers a lot of your questions.
Nice website.

I think Agfacolor is missed.
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Old 01-27-2022, 07:01 AM
 
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Earliest natural color film dates back to 1902. No one has mentioned


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gqZM84vWj-g
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