[Sparrow_temp]

The original post is about whether MI should secede from the US and join Canada. Every state in the US now has a secession partition since the election. Wingnatic brought politics into the matter so I responded to his question in kind as to why states might want to secede from the union. This is on topic. Your thoughts of being moderator are not so much.

Originally Posted by darstar

You are trying to turn all the current events into a political football that does not exist. This thread is not about your misguided thoughts. Don't try to make it so, no ones buying your connection, the elections over, let it be. If you want to start a thread about your theories , there is a place, but not here.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Retroit

The North should have let the South secede.

Why?

[darstar]

Originally Posted by Sparrow_temp

The original post is about whether MI should secede from the US and join Canada. Every state in the US now has a secession partition since the election. Wingnatic brought politics into the matter so I responded to his question in kind as to why states might want to secede from the union. This is on topic. Your thoughts of being moderator are not so much.

No, I am tired of Politics, two years of fighting. I would think a lot of us out there feel the same way. I thought this was to be a thread about Michigan only ?

[darstar]

Originally Posted by Sparrow_temp

The original post is about whether MI should secede from the US and join Canada. Every state in the US now has a secession partition since the election. Wingnatic brought politics into the matter so I responded to his question in kind as to why states might want to secede from the union. This is on topic. Your thoughts of being moderator are not so much.

And another thing , back to Mi. I seem to remember a while back we had a discussion about there is no way a state , any state, could secede and join another country. Whether some care or not, we ARE these United States of America.federal law always trumps state, so, it is a no brainier that such an action would be an act of treason on the lesser side.No state could break away, so to speak. Now , they could elect to become their own state as in the UP and Lower Mi. A state could be broken up into several states as Texas once had the option to do.
I think all this was discussed in detail, then the conversation turned to the UP forming their own state, which IS within the realm of possibility. However, you would have to be delusional to think such a thing could happen. In the first place very few people would such a thing, It would require a change in the Constitution and be ratified by a majority of the Nation. ( I may be a little off on some of the detail, but the bottom line, there can not be fewer states, only more.) I did not hear how PR went in the election as an example of a Territory be coming a state. Furthermore, I do not wish to be a Moderator, you ?

[Wingnatic]

Back to the original question which I missed ... why would we go to Canada when the State of Michigan told the U.P. way back when '' No '' when they wanted to separate ?

[TwoSticks]

...".federal law always trumps state,"...

Not the last time I looked. A reading of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States of America should illuminate. The Preamble of the Bill of Rights is worth a peek too, for context.

[darstar]

The Supreme Court has ruled many times that States can not make laws that only benefit , those within that state without equal rights to other States and those traveling across said State. Interstate Commerence laws have always trumped State Intrastate commerence enactments.For all practical purpose Equal Rights applys to all within these United States. There are few State laws that have the privilege of not including Interstste Commerence.The transport industry went through deregulation starting in the late 70s and went full circle in 1980. It took several more years to do away Intrastate Commerence regulations .the Carmack Amendment was enacted long ago. Uniformity in regulation between States was enacted in 1935, served us well until big business got control of any open entry pushing out new business ventures. Need and neasitity remains in Interstate Commerence but means little with so many people /companies doing the same thing.Also the Universal Code applys to all States equally.

[zthatzmanz28]

Originally Posted by 100%Michigan

What would you prefer?
Do you think Michigan should flee the USA and join with Canada? Many people I ran into actually prefer for Michigan to join with Canada... not in a negative way but said simply it was meant to be. Others I ran into simply said what state would leave a greater country for a great one? What would you prefer?
On the other hand, is Canada even ready for a state like Michigan or would Canada even want Michigan? Would Michigan become its own providence or just simply join with another? Could this thought of Michigan leaving the USA be consider even possible? Would Michigan do better without USA? Tell me please, what is your oppinion.

Great idea. Move to LIBERAL Canada where they have had UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE, more political accountability and social welfare just to get away from a BLACK president?

NEWS FLASH-----THere are BLACK people in Canada and one day the Prime Minister will be a black person, quite possibly a BLACK WOMAN.
Then you can all move to Mexico or Turkey, the only two "civilized" countries that do not have UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE or other social welfare programs.

Y'all are FREE to move about the world, but you cannot take any AMERICAN soil with you. Last time I looked, more of us supported OBAMA than those who support treason and insurrection.

[magellan]

All this talk about states seceding. My guess is that the Federal Reserve would require any State to pay back their portion of the federal debt before they'd allow it, which would totally bankrupt any state. Michigan also has a huge industrial infrastructure that is accessible by water. We'd be totally unprotected as Canada has virtually no military. Michigan would have to enter into trade and military protection agreements with the U.S. to be any kind of viable entity, and that would probably cost money.

[Marty711]

Originally Posted by Sparrow_temp

The problem is that a significant number of people think that the USA is doomed under this President. He thinks compromise is only when the opposition does what he wants. He's showed no attempts to compromise with the other side in his first 4 years and has even less reason to do so now since he doesn't have to worry about reelection. He'll have the opportunity to appoint at least one more Supreme Court justice which could tip the balance of power on the court to those who would rather destroy the Constitution rather than protect it as long as the result fit with their ideology. He's been running over $1 trillion deficits and wants to put us on the fast-track to a situation like Greece. His fellow Democrats haven't proposed a Budget in the Senate since 2009 and stated that they probably wouldn't next year either; the President's own budget couldn't get a vote from either party.

When you see the ship sinking, most people want to get to a life raft. That's what the secession movements are about. Who wants to go down with a sinking ship? Or if we go to the President's car analogy -- he liked comparing this country to a car that the Republicans drove into a ditch and claimed he needed to take the keys away. The new analogy is that he's now driving the car toward a cliff and rather than braking or turning around -- he's pushing down the accelerator. People want to get out before the inevitable happens.

That's all fine and dandy and I agree with some of what you wrote. Unfortunately, from a financial perspective most of the "red states" need the federal government more than the "blue states" do. That's what's quite ironic about the arguments about takers, etc. Its the conservative states that take more than they bring in when it comes to taxes. Of the top 10 states that get more fed money than they bring in, 7 of them voted for Romney. As Michiganders should already be aware of, we get very little back for our revenue. We help subsidize the smaller and poorer states. That's the case for all of the larger states, which are almost unanimously blue. If we really wanted to make things fair, the smaller states should see their federal funds slashed greatly.