"I Went To Springfield, The Most Dangerous City In Massachusetts" (Boston: housing, commute)

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by mikeugh

I do not believe so. NY, PA, and MD generally all rank higher. Though, they're all at worst middle of the pack.

MA has long been the most dangerous northeastern state, above NY PA and NJ. Thats been pretty consistent since the mid 2000s. You can find article on this throughout the years.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by mikeugh

Not considered by whom? MD is a northeast state.

I live here. It is not.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

I'm talking about looks, not necessarily the crime. But yeah, wow.

ehhh nothing in New England looks as bad as Camden or AC, or Newark.

After that yea, I see your point. Paterson is basically the same look as Bridgeport. Waterbury looks worse than Jersey City

[redplum33]

"The United States Census Bureau defines the region as including nine U.S. states: Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Some definitions also include Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia, and on rare occasions, West Virginia and Virginia."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northe..._United_States

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by redplum33

"The United States Census Bureau defines the region as including nine U.S. states: Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Some definitions also include Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia, and on rare occasions, West Virginia and Virginia."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northe..._United_States

Maryland is almost always in the south not just in the US Census but anything government related.

It's a county-dominated state with a large agriculture sector, huge African American population and virtually NO urban cities outside of Baltimore whatsoever to Southern and Western Maryland and there are deep southern accents, truck nuts, confederate flags and drive-through liquor stores.

Subdivision development on small lot is rampant, unions are pretty weak, and people are generally very compliant to authority. COL to wages is aso very reasonable. You will find yourself driving on highways EVERYWHERE even for quick local trips.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

ehhh nothing in New England looks as bad as Camden or AC, or Newark.

After that yea, I see your point. Paterson is basically the same look as Bridgeport. Waterbury looks worse than Jersey City

Oh yeah I know that. MA's worst are nothing like NJ's worst.

yeah, JC in 2023 is not that bad (Like Greenpoint, Bergen-Lafayette, The Heights). But 10 years ago LMAO it was baaddd. But gentrification has basically replaced the worst of the worst in JC with millennial homes. iirc, JC used to look almost as bad as Irvington/Newark. Not like Camden though.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by redplum33

"The United States Census Bureau defines the region as including nine U.S. states: Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. Some definitions also include Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia, and on rare occasions, West Virginia and Virginia."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northe..._United_States

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Maryland is almost always in the south not just in the US Census but anything government related.

It's a county-dominated state with a large agriculture sector, huge African American population and virtually NO urban cities outside of Baltimore whatsoever to Southern and Western Maryland and there are deep southern accents, truck nuts, confederate flags and drive-through liquor stores.

Subdivision development on small lot is rampant, unions are pretty weak, and people are generally very compliant to authority. COL to wages is aso very reasonable. You will find yourself driving on highways EVERYWHERE even for quick local trips.

Yeah, I agree.

"Some definitions also include Maryland, Delaware, and the District of Columbia, and on rare occasions, West Virginia and Virginia."

^ I don't consider any of those to be northeast.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

MA has long been the most dangerous northeastern state, above NY PA and NJ. Thats been pretty consistent since the mid 2000s. You can find article on this throughout the years.

Looking at overall crime
1989: NY>NJ>CT>MA>PA>RI

Looking at violent crime:
1970: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>NJ>PA>RI>MA>CT
1975: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>MA>NJ>CT>PA>RI
1982: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>NJ>MA>CT>RI>PA
1989: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>MA>NJ>CT>RI
1996: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>MA>NJ>PA>CT>RI

It seemed MA was lower for overall crime, but higher for violent crime. But NYS was always worse.

MA exploded in the early 70s and that lasted until the 10s.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

Looking at overall crime
1989: NY>NJ>CT>MA>PA>RI

Looking at violent crime:
1970: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>NJ>PA>RI>MA>CT
1975: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>MA>NJ>CT>PA>RI
1982: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>NJ>MA>CT>RI>PA
1989: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>>MA>NJ>CT>RI
1996: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime...%20States.html NY>MA>NJ>PA>CT>RI

It seemed MA was lower for overall crime, but higher for violent crime. But NYS was always worse.

MA exploded in the early 70s and that lasted until the 10s.

That was a loooong time ago.

But I will say this in 2020 NY was one spot worse than MA https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...rate/40968963/


MA was a little worse than PA.

NJ and CT were far below either

But in most years NY and MA are neck and neck. Some year MA is ahead like it is now. Here's one report from 2014 a year MA was the worst.

Another in 2010

[xo_kizzy_xo]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

Fitchburg feels way more worn hopeless and isolated than Springfield. It’s just the most depressing place I’ve been in the state.

I'd say the whole of that Rt 2 corridor (Fitchburg/Gardner in particular) is hopeless and isolated. Bleak is another apt term. We went up there to one of the furniture factories not long ago and that's all I could think just walking around. We have friends who moved up that way because the housing is cheaper. There must be pockets of hopefulness there somewhere, at least for their kids' sake.

Interesting the OP picked up on a Nick Johnson video. I've seen quite a few of his "Unboxing [State]" episodes where he subtly makes the argument that poverty, whether rural or urban, is almost always politically triggered. He's stopped that in his later videos because he kept being called out on it. Now he's revisiting some areas and letting the inhabitants speak for themselves.