50 migrants relocated to Martha's Vineyard by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (Plymouth: bankruptcy, private schools)
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I don’t think you understand how low salaries are in Ireland. €70,000 is top-10%. The exchange rate is 1-1. Middle income is less than €35,000. The minimum wage in Massachusetts is $15 in January so $30k. The math in the UK is similar. London pays better but the housing cost in London is worse than Boston. The only reason we don’t have mass waves of Irish and UK illegals is because they think they’ll get gunned down in the streets or bankrupted by the health care system. They also think the right wing that has taken over much of the US is a bunch of Nazis. The general view of 20-somethings there is that the US is scratched off the list. Ireland is part of the EU. They’d rather go to the prosperous parts of Northern Europe. The Brits would rather go to Commonwealth countries than the US. If they’re here and see the disconnect between the European media representation of the US and the reality in the blue states, they’re more likely to consider it.
Don't kid yourself. I was at a certain pub within the past year, and at least half the crowd was Irish illegals.
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Originally Posted by GeoffD
I don’t think you understand how low salaries are in Ireland. €70,000 is top-10%. The exchange rate is 1-1. Middle income is less than €35,000. The minimum wage in Massachusetts is $15 in January so $30k. The math in the UK is similar. London pays better but the housing cost in London is worse than Boston. The only reason we don’t have mass waves of Irish and UK illegals is because they think they’ll get gunned down in the streets or bankrupted by the health care system. They also think the right wing that has taken over much of the US is a bunch of Nazis. The general view of 20-somethings there is that the US is scratched off the list. Ireland is part of the EU. They’d rather go to the prosperous parts of Northern Europe. The Brits would rather go to Commonwealth countries than the US. If they’re here and see the disconnect between the European media representation of the US and the reality in the blue states, they’re more likely to consider it.
The business landscape in Ireland has drastically improved since the 80's and 90's. Lowering the corporate tax rate to 12.5% (at the chagrin of EU) attracts business.
About wages in Ireland and the UK? I’m not going to bother doing your 30 second Google for you. Ireland and the UK outside of London pay really low wages compared to Massachusetts. The Massachusetts January 1, 2023 $15 minimum wage would be considered a good wage for a non-STEM uni new grad.
The view of the US as the wild, Wild West with guns, health care bankruptcies, and Ayatollah-level social policy is the view in any other first world country. I have had that conversation lots of times in Europe and the UK recently.
I don't see a single person from Ireland down here on the south shore. I don't see many in Dorchester these days either. Where are they going ?
I'm not saying 0 are showing up here but they are not showing up the same way the South Americans are. They are self sufficient
Try getting a patio installed. I can’t speak to the immigration status, but 3/4 of the quotes I got were from guys brogues so thick my wife couldn’t understand them.
The view of the US as the wild, Wild West with guns, health care bankruptcies, and Ayatollah-level social policy is the view in any other first world country. I have had that conversation lots of times in Europe and the UK recently.
My experience is similar. Our drama makes its way into their media and social media far more than theirs makes its way into ours. And they rarely ever get any of the nuance, so they're getting an extremely simplified snapshot of what's happening here. Healthcare (or lack thereof), racism, and gun violence tend to dominate the headlines. Ironically, healthcare is imperfect there (almost all of the professionals I know have private supplemental health insurance) and racism and anti-immigrant sentiment is different in the UK, but still rampant (maybe even worse in some respects). The gun violence just isn't a thing there though. That's unique to the U.S. relative to our peers.
The view of the US as the wild, Wild West with guns, health care bankruptcies, and Ayatollah-level social policy is the view in any other first world country. I have had that conversation lots of times in Europe and the UK recently.
And this is what I call BS on. I can't say I'm that up to speed on their media (I'll occasionally read a Guardian or Daily Mail article), but I just don't see it in everyday people. I'd be open to data showing otherwise.
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