09-23-2008, 11:14 PM
Location: Elkins, WV
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Dave and I are struggling with the concept of how much land is enough. It is something we will have to answer by ourselves, but just curious- what makes you happy? My grandpa's farm has 160 acres, and it was big enough for all my growing up adventures. Dave and I have land in Talkeetna that is 10 acres, and it is not nearly big enough. How big is your land and what do you use it for (farming, personal garden, ski trails, etc.)? We would like a brook, and some open space, some trees, big enough for a house and a garden, and also big enough for some walking trails, and lots of privacy. We want our own little oasis, I guess. Anyway, tell me about yours.
09-24-2008, 12:23 AM
Location: Midwest
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I was thinking a square mile would be nice. Can that be done by a non-millionaire/lottery winner?
09-24-2008, 04:07 AM
Location: Corinth, ME
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Dave and I are struggling with the concept of how much land is enough. It is something we will have to answer by ourselves, but just curious- what makes you happy? My grandpa's farm has 160 acres, and it was big enough for all my growing up adventures. Dave and I have land in Talkeetna that is 10 acres, and it is not nearly big enough. How big is your land and what do you use it for (farming, personal garden, ski trails, etc.)? We would like a brook, and some open space, some trees, big enough for a house and a garden, and also big enough for some walking trails, and lots of privacy. We want our own little oasis, I guess. Anyway, tell me about yours.
I would have liked to have had enough for a woodlot, but we do not. There always must be compromise and in my case, it was a balance between:
1. having SOME land so as not to be right on top of neighbors (i.e. a town lot is really not enough)
2. being under $50K (we actually went a little higher than that, but it is working out ok.
3. having stable high speed internet with no transfer minimums (for my work, graphic design) so I can continue to have the studio at home
We fell in love with 12 wooded acres a ways east and north, but there was NO way we could get the net beyond dial up or satellite. Otherwise that would have been perfect.
We have 4 open, tillable acres, sit on a bit of a hill and would appear to have no privacy except when you note the way the nearby houses sit, there are no clean views of the back side of the property, which works for me until I get trees growing. I am using it for personal gardens and orchards, religious use, businesses (design studio and art studio). After plowing up the front lawns, the tractor guy is sure I will be in business as a market farmer. LOL I may, eventually, if there is a market for any of the herbs I will grow or the berries, but that is not my primary intention. After raising my kids "beyond the sidewalks, with chickens and without electricity" I wanted something like that back for my senior years, but my SO has health issues and we need a little more modern than that. So we are in the country, with electricity and without chickens (for the moment... they may come eventually, as may a milk goat, we will see...)
09-24-2008, 04:18 AM
Location: Northern Maine
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I live on 107 mostly wooded acres with a stream and waterfalls. It is set up with many trails. I cut a little firewood and my neighbor cuts some wood with his team of horses to train them. He pays me for the trees he takes. I have a 4WD Kubota tractor to manage it all.
At camp I have 25 acres of old growth forest that has not been cut in over 100 years. I just cut some firewood there. I only cut standing dead trees. I think for the average person in Maine a 40 acre lot is ideal. That's 1/4 mile square.
In Maine we grow 1/3 of a cord of wood per acre per year. You can take 13 cords of wood off a 40 acre lot every year forever and not diminish the resource. A cord of wood weighs about 5000 pounds so 13 cords is 1.5 tractor trailer truckloads. If you burn 6 cords in your house you'll have 6 cords to sell at $250 a cord which should pay your taxes in the land.
09-24-2008, 04:38 AM
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I live on 107 mostly wooded acres with a stream and waterfalls. It is set up with many trails. I cut a little firewood and my neighbor cuts some wood with his team of horses to train them. He pays me for the trees he takes. I have a 4WD Kubota tractor to manage it all.
At camp I have 25 acres of old growth forest that has not been cut in over 100 years. I just cut some firewood there. I only cut standing dead trees. I think for the average person in Maine a 40 acre lot is ideal. That's 1/4 mile square.
In Maine we grow 1/3 of a cord of wood per acre per year. You can take 13 cords of wood off a 40 acre lot every year forever and not diminish the resource. A cord of wood weighs about 5000 pounds so 13 cords is 1.5 tractor trailer truckloads. If you burn 6 cords in your house you'll have 6 cords to sell at $250 a cord which should pay your taxes in the land.
holy buckets batman...you always make maine sound so surreal...dh asked what my new obession was with buying land the other day was and all I could think of was your glowing stories of living in heaven on earth...course I lol'd cause dh thinks im crazy for looking up a board just for maine...(hes from there hes got all the answers right? lol)
I too am intrested in how people answer this question....I would love to know whats the "ideal" amount...im thinking around a 100acres..
09-24-2008, 06:51 AM
Location: South Portland, Maine
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Interesting post.
What effects the value of land??
I would like to have 10-20 acres with about 5 acres cleared. Road frontage and access to the power grid. I would like the cleared area to be level and the wooded to be level or rolling. I will not necessarily farm the land but I would like to enough to feed my family, maybe have some chickens, pig ect. I wouldn't mind being able to fly a small plane in and out. easy access to a running brook would be nice but not necessary. And the wooded area does not have to have a lot of hard wood...just enough for some personal use for building and rest for burning. And I would like it to located near a small town that has some services ect.
So am I asking for too much...how much would something like this cost?? and where would I have to go. Nothing in southern Maine would necesarily apply because the developement potential would make way too expensive.
09-24-2008, 07:14 AM
Location: Earth
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It all depends...
my gal and I would like a minimum of 20 acres, partially wooded and on higher ground with good southern exposure for solar gain. 20+ acres should be plenty good for privacy, wood, shooting an occasional turkey or deer, growing some food and having gardens.
we're keeping our expectations realistic...even with stellar credit and a hefty down payment, getting a favorable loan and a monthly payment that doesn't eat a nice chunk of our income won't be easy in this economy.
the economy is largely going to determine what we're able to do...as I mentioned in another post, the 'startup cost' for having a small acreage will be high. Kubota tractors are not cheap, for example!
09-24-2008, 07:42 AM
Location: Forests of Maine
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I am new to Maine.
I bought land here in 2005. I have been working on building a house, planting an orchard, converting a mixed-wood forest over to more maple [so we can eventually do sugaring], and trying to figure out a successful method of gardening in this micro-climate. I have been attempting to grow some ginseng on the forest floor.
I do not know what the perfect amount of land is.
I bought 42 acres all in treegrowth. It is riverfrontage. When I was first here, I hiked the property lines [as I did each property when I was shopping]. When I saw the view of the river bank, I took photos [which I can post if you wish]. I thought that once my Dw saw that view of the river, she would really like this property. Unfortunately there is a lot of marsh between our house and the picturesque riverbank. We will need to make a path connecting these two areas.
We have a herd of goats and sheep, pigs and chickens. Oh and bees [I keep forgetting the bees]
This land cost me $900 an acre.
Across the road is more flat treegrowth. My SIL bought 105 acres there. She paid $300 an acre. That land has no river access, which is why it is so much cheaper.
So now I manage nearly 150 acres of treegrowth.
It is flat, it holds water for long periods after each rain. The last clear cutting left a lot of logs buried underground, and it is very rocky. Before it will be capable of doing much else, I will need to provide better drainage. It was clear cut about 10 years ago, and today is covered with thick scrubby brush and small trees. We cut a lot of wood, though most of it is small enough that it does not require splitting.
If a person did some serious firewood cutting and replanting. I should think that they could produce a great many cords each year sustainably here.
~ 150 acres.
Quote:
... what makes you happy?
Seeing the moose, deer, and wild turkey on our driveway.
Gardening, being rural. Being able to fire a gun whenever I wish, etc.
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... How big is your land and what do you use it for (farming, personal garden, ski trails, etc.)? We would like a brook, and some open space, some trees, big enough for a house and a garden, and also big enough for some walking trails, and lots of privacy. We want our own little oasis, I guess. Anyway, tell me about yours.
We do have a brook that runs next to our house.
09-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Location: Gary, WV & Springfield, ME
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Enter now the disabled voice... In Florida, I had 5 acres that I rarely used other than to pasture cows or horses. I had plenty to garden on and too much to mow. Trees would have been nice, but there weren't any so I did without.
In Maine, I have 54 or 63 or something like that. It recently changed when the town surveyed it's borders and decided it was further from the property line than it previously thought. Whatever...
It is way more land than I will ever use - to be sure, way more than I will ever even see. That makes it plenty for my purpose. There are meadows in which to garden, clearings in which to graze livestock, trees for beauty and shade and wild animals that I can regard as my pets to my heart's content. I am particularly fond of a red squirrel that is more mischievous than a chimpanzee with a dozen hands.
09-24-2008, 10:48 AM
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hello...well i have a 50 x 125 lot with a big back yard as my old wood house vintage 1946 is only 700 sq ft.....very unusual for a block from the beach....last of its kind in my town
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)