Is Los Angeles actually in danger of losing it's diversity in the future? (appointed, health insurance)

[ArthursChoice]

Originally Posted by AlmightyZeus

Just something that got me thinking. And this is coming from a proud Angeleno, from Watts. And hopefully this thread doesn't come off as antagonistic, divisive, or condescending.

Los Angeles, as many of you already know, is one of the most diverse cities in the world. And within the city limits, it carries the most ethnic enclaves out of all cities on the planet. That says a lot and it's one of the crown jewels of this city that many other cities cannot lay claim to. Our diverse population is actually what helps to make us an world class alpha city.

However, in the future this is going to change. Los Angeles is obviously bleeding it's black population (it got so bad in San Francisco that Gavin Newsom, the mayor of SF, is actually talking to black leaders in SF to figure out how to keep their black population) with whites right after them. Asians are coming into the city as well, but not in numbers like - guess who? - the Latinos. This city, at this rate, is going to be 70% Latino by 2030 with Mexicans being the overwhelmingly large percentage of that 70%.

Now, riddle me this. If any city were to be considered 70% white, would it considered "diverse" then? Hell no, it would considered a "white" city with a few blacks, Latinos and Asians making up the rest of the population but many individuals would consider it to be a "white" city. And let's face it, it's not diversity when your Koreatown is majority Latino.

A lot of you are probably saying "this man must hate Latinos or something", well that's far from it. I don't dislike Latinos (outside of those Surenos who are pretty much starting **** with everyone and messing it up for everybody) and a lot of you are saying "What's wrong with being in a city that's majority Latino?" Well, here's my .02:

I don't particularly enjoy living in a city with such lop-sided diversity, either. Chicago and NYC actually have balanced diversity with no one ethnic group being the majority (by such large margins) which add to their alpha city status and allows for a global experience within those cities that many individuals can benefit from. You can learn something from every single ethnic group in the city, but why would you want to live in a city where you're going to be exposed to the majority that diminishes the "worldly experience"?

So my question to you all is this:

- What can we do to keep the diversity of this city "balanced"?

I saw this YEARRSSSSSS AGO! Los Angeles will loose its diversity and there is not a damn thing you or I can do about it. If another city had 70% white people we would not AT ALL say it has diversity...NOT AT ALL! Its to late for Los Angeles and they're dancing around as if they don't see what is happening.
The only thing you can do (and here's something not PC or will get me called a racist perhaps) is deport the illegals! If you did that, that would deplete more than half of that projected 70%; but it will never happened. We waited to late to deal with the problem of illegal aliens and now our west coast cities are turning into Mexico City... You may not have a problem with it but I do...I'm glad I got out!

[ArthursChoice]

Don't try to sell this lie!

Originally Posted by quepaso

And unfortunately to many, its a bad thing.

People go on and on about the "tijuanification" of cities that have large Hispanic populations. How bad crime is, how dirty and rundown it is, etc etc.

Yet, cities with large Hispanic populations, like, I dont know, lets just say Los Angeles or New York, have significantly lower crime rates than cities like Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta.

[missionhome]

Originally Posted by ArthursChoice

Don't try to sell this lie!

Just look at the murder rate this year for example. Los Angeles' murder rate is less than San Francisco, Chicago, San Antonio, Miami, Cleveland, Phoenix, Boston, Philadelphia, Indianapolis, Houston, Dallas, Memphis, Atlanta, Baltimore, Washington DC, Detroit, Nashville, Oakland, etc....

The city limits of Los Angeles "statistically" have a lower murder rate than most large cities in this country. It does fairly well when stacked against competition. I'm not saying L.A. is perfect and doesn't have problems, because IT DOES. Sometimes people in California forget that the rest of the country have major problems also. Look at Chicago where they have 428 murders compared to Los Angeles' 306, and Chicago has one million less residents.

[Full-Blooded American]

Originally Posted by quepaso

And unfortunately to many, its a bad thing.

People go on and on about the "tijuanification" of cities that have large Hispanic populations. How bad crime is, how dirty and rundown it is, etc etc.

Yet, cities with large Hispanic populations, like, I dont know, lets just say Los Angeles or New York, have significantly lower crime rates than cities like Detroit, St. Louis, Atlanta.

That may be the case, but the crime rate is still higher than it should be in cities such as L.A.

All Most Wanted - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

[missionhome]

On the topic of the diversity, I wish it could be preserved because the city will loose all its good if it becomes very tilted to one side. Cities that are overwhelmingly one race are not "global cities." I can't think of what can be done other than deport the illegals.

[katenik]

Originally Posted by LEVOW

diversity or lack of diversity is something u cant control, and why does everybody complain of lack of diversity as soon as white people start getting outnumbered by other races, white people keep running away from "mexicans, latinos, etc etc, whats going to happen after latinos become the majority in the us, are you guys going to move out the u.s.? Instead of running away, why dont we try to live amongst each other, afterall that is what a "melting pot" truly consist of right?

you must have left school before the "melting pot" became the "salad bowl."

[MIKEETC]

Originally Posted by AlmightyZeus

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- What can we do to keep the diversity of this city "balanced"?

If when you say "we" you mean the government and direct government intervention, then the answer is nothing.

We're seeing the natural evolution of a city and its population. Indirectly the government could increase enforcement of immigration laws and border control, but that would "eliminate" only a fraction of LA's Hispanic/Latino population. This would not impact the remainder who are legal immigrants and native-born citizens. The government could start mandating where certain people could or could not live but that sounds like something you'd hear about in the People's Republic of China or read in a book about the dark days of US history.

On the individual level, there are some things that could be done but it would all be voluntary. For example, having children. If my observations and readings are any guide, the better educated, more affluent segments of the Hispanic/Latino population will self-regulate and have only 2.4 kids. (but not always). New arrivals, and less educated/affluent segments of this population may have more kids (but not always). However, with increased assimilation and better education, the following generations will have increasingly less and less children. Keep in mind, this pattern is observable in all ethnic/racial groups.

Conversely, non-Hispanics/Latinos could offset the growth in the Hispanic/Latino population by having more kids. Also, they could stop migrating out of Los Angeles. Picture this: there are 10 persons of ethnic group A, 10 persons of group B, 10 of group C, and 10 of group D for a total combined population of 40. Therefore, the population mix is 25% A, 25% B, and so forth. If all of group A leaves, should members of group A be surprised that the population mix went from 25% across the board for all ethnic groups to 33.3% for groups B, C, and D, and 0% for group A? Population shifts like this, aka "White Flight", "Black Flight", etc. contribute and accelerate the loss of diversity. One cannot leave and then return to wonder where everyone like him went...they left !! Don't leave!

[quepaso]

Originally Posted by skywalker400

I think Miami and LA are different in that there has been a Cuban business elite present in MIA for generations, creating a large latino, primarily spanish-speaking middle/upper middle class. In LA, despite the Villaraigosa election, the city seems "run" by an Anglo/White business leaders, with first generation immigrant Latinos in primarily working class jobs. Aside from certain local neighborhoods, business is run primarily in English. The 70% figure may seem alarming, but keep in mind a significant amount of the population will be third and fourth generation immigrants, and pretty anglicized and assimilated.

Great point. People hear large percentages, and assume that population is either illegal or recently arrived immigrants.
Chicanos and other Latinos have been living, and coming to Los Angeles for decades. A small number have had roots here since it was annexed by the U.S. Many assimilated American citizens of Hispanic descent in this part of the country.

[quepaso]

Originally Posted by Full-Blooded American

That may be the case, but the crime rate is still higher than it should be in cities such as L.A.

All Most Wanted - official website of THE LOS ANGELES POLICE DEPARTMENT

That'd be an awesome point if Los Angeles didn't have such a large Latino population, not to mention the poorer class is mostly Latino.

The crime rate is still higher than it should be in cities such as LA? You mean megacities with a metro population of nearly 10 million?
How should it be? Like Mayberry?
Again, compare the city's crime rate to other cities around the size of Los Angeles. If you look at that, then I guess a lot of cities arent the way they "should be" as far as crime rate.

[Huckleberry3911948]

one could argue LA does not have diversity. more like a series of different layers in the same cake the largest being mexican.
mexican works for me i like it and know it well.
for culture to make it its got to be efficient. LA is getting more efficient. its a slow process.
the intent of culture is to reduce crime and divorce and promote family and employment.
LA being the 2nd largest city in USA, is doing lots of inefficient stuff, but i think it will get better.