Why so many covid 19 cases and deaths in LA County (August: eat, expenses)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Igor Blevin

I would like some incontrovertible proof of hundreds a die dying from Covid.

Scroll back. Multiple posts cited on this thread. Here's another: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...s-the-who-says

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Intentional by whom?

"Americans have been urged to learn to live with the coronavirus, but this summer, hundreds were still dying from it each day. The death toll has fallen from the grim peaks of past surges, but has persisted in recent months, averaging more than 400 lives lost a day from June through August, according to data from the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center."

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ths-california

Intentional by Public Health officials. The idea of overstating the severity so as to reach preferred ends has been acknowledged openly. Many such officials have openly complained about us not doing enough with the fear campaign. Eric Fiegl-Ding has made a name for himself with incessant fear-mongering.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by Finper

Intentional by

Dr Fauchi
Gavin Newsom ( who still has Ca under emergency powers)
Barbara Ferrer
Garcetti
the LA Times

I would remove Newsom and Garcetti from this list. Newsom’s issue is he is the ultimate people pleaser/politician. He was persuaded significantly by the radicals for some time. He’s since come around and back to his senses. Public health is where the radicals with profound goals reside.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

California law states that the responsibility to sign a patient's death certificate belongs with the attending physician. You're assuming that all these physicians are intentionally falsifying information? That's very unlikely.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/v...ce_COVID19.htm

What you suggest is happening is perfectly reasonable: You suggest that what's happened is that physicians complete the death certificate (and are always 100% certain as to the cause) and list Covid as the cause of death, and then the statistics that follow are of people who've been said to have died because of Covid. It is reasonable to think this is what's happened. And, for my claims to be correct, it would mean that physicians have falsified death certificates and that has happened at a significant rate. THAT would be a whacko conspiracy theory.

But, the above is not an accurate reflection of what's happened. What's actually happened is a decision was made to include Covid as at least a contributing factor of death in every single instance that someone had a positive PCR test within a month of their deaths. And this has been the case while EVERY SINGLE PERSON reporting to the hospital is tested for Covid, no matter what. If someone has been in a car accident, or suffered a heart attack, or anything else, and turns up at the hospital, they get tested for Covid. No matter what. If the test comes back positive, it is AUTOMATICALLY counted as a Covid hospitalization. If they die within a month, it is AUTOMATICALLY scored as a Covid death. It is mandated as a matter of standard procedure to include Covid as a contributing factor every time there's been a positive test, no matter what. And, those keeping and sharing statistics take each and every person who had Covid listed as a contributing factor (even if the physician doesn't really think it was a contributing factor) then counted as...a Covid death!
So, as it turns out, "Falsifying death certificates" does not really need to happen. What exists is a very misleading record keeping process.

This is why numerous physicians are on the record in saying the statistics are dramatically overstated. This phenomenon is generally well understood to be occurring. Again, it would be like taking every single person who dies, checking to see if/when they were vaccinated for Covid, and anyone/everyone who dies within a month of having received the vaccine would be counted as a "vaccine death". Some lunatic anti-vaxxers have tried to count it that way. It's every bit the bullsh*t when they do that as it is when Public Health counts every death in someone who had a positive PCR test within a month of death counted as a "Covid death".

[Igor Blevin]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Scroll back. Multiple posts cited on this thread. Here's another: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...s-the-who-says

I don't see any proof of who died from Covid vs who died with Covid at link.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Igor Blevin

I don't see any proof of who died from Covid vs who died with Covid at link.

You're unable to scroll back or do your own search?

Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions:
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...19-death-toll/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

[Finper]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

You're unable to scroll back or do your own search?

Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions:
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...19-death-toll/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

You actually post the CDC as a reputable source…. That’s hilarious

[Exitus Acta Probat]

Originally Posted by skyway31

I was just at LAX Monday. Perhaps 20-30% of people were wearing masks. All the mandate is serving to do is make reasonable people hate and distrust those keeping the mandate in place. All the while, we are laughing in their faces. Public health in several jurisdictions has committed reputational suicide. It's an international embarrassment.

I would have guessed that they'd have security standing at the doors, barring entry to people without masks. Or do they, and then people just take them off once inside?

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

You're unable to scroll back or do your own search?

Claims that COVID death figures are inflated by counting those who died ‘with, not from’ the virus are premised on false assertions:
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checkin...19-death-toll/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

Your link to the “fact-check” site does not say what you suggest it says. Your link is in regards to one particular Instagram post (which I’ve never seen) which makes a particular claim about the exact number of deaths throughout the entire pandemic. Nothing I’ve claimed is based on or related to that post.

The article also references something Donald Trump said in 2020, that was “debunked” in August of 2020, when it was said 92% of deaths counted as Covid were in fact caused by Covid. Yes, way back in 2020,
it may be the case that deaths were overcounted by only 8%. What we are pointing out is that, ever since Omicron emerged as the dominant version in circulation, the old counting procedures from 2020 now (and for all of 2022 and some of 2021) dramatically overstate the deaths caused by Covid. The claim is that the stats on hospitalizations and deaths people like you have provided for the last 9-10 months are dramatically overstated. So, August of 2020 numbers may have been only slightly inflated, but August of 2022 are dramatically overstated. And intentionally so.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

I would have guessed that they'd have security standing at the doors, barring entry to people without masks. Or do they, and then people just take them off once inside?

There is no security of the kind. Absolutely zero effort made to enforce it. I actually thought the mandate had possibly been lifted. Because there was nothing indicating there was still a mandate.
If there were even signs asking to wear masks, I don’t recall seeing them. Which is why it is so laughable that it is being presented as exciting news that the mandate may soon be lifted.