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Old 08-03-2019, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Addicts can’t stop- they need a lot of help to even try to stop and the desire to stop.
They are never sober to come to that desire to stop.
Unless we change the laws to allow an involuntary rehabs commitment. No easy solution here.
So far as Tule suggested the only feasible way to enforce the laws we have is to have shelter/ beds capacity to house all homeless
Once we have it: we can send/ force them there or at least not allowing them in parks and on the sidewalks.
Then we can sort through their medical/ disability/ mental/ financial disadvantages to attempt to stop them from being homeless.
Not even sure the city/counties/ country have these resources .
We may need to borrow money from the Pentagon and such, close a few of our hundreds of overseas military bases to take care of our people at home.
Ask for money from the rich folks as a charity? Look up on Zillow 150 million dollar properties in LA- will the wealthy be charitable to homeless people the same way they are charitable to the animals and animal shelters?
Our country as a rule does not have many homeless animals running on the streets. They are sheltered...
Maybe we can do the same for people?
I can’t come up with any other solutions.
There are solutions but I don't think we can ever make 'fixing' broken people part of the solution. What we can do is get them off the streets and then when they have a safe place to sleep start offering them services, i.e mental health services, rehab, job training. But first things first. The homeless in Modesto had taken over a park, look what they did for very little money. https://www.modbee.com/news/local/article230345544.html

I understand the arguments that will ensue from my posting that, i.e. "but LA has tens of thousands more homeless than Modesto" Well, there's probably no way to provide shelter for all of them at least not in the short term, but if LA found some spots under freeways, or in vacant lots and did something similar to what Modesto did, it would be a start, and for every person who is directed to those tents, they lose their option of sleeping on the streets or in our parks.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:27 PM
 
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The answer is actually as obvious as it is politically incorrect - coercive measures/institutionalization. Long an accepted practice in mental healthcare, it is now considered only a measure of 'last resort', usually after a very serious offense has already occurred. Move those goalposts back to where they were 40-50 years ago and get the folks who're not able to control themselves or their behavior into closed environments before they set a fire, stab someone etc. not after they did it a couple times.
Yep. That's the way many countries are doing it: Scandinavian countries, Poland, Hungary, Korea, Japan. It costs more in taxes but they're willing to pay it because they're paying for their brothers. Countries who consider their "folk" as brothers. These are homogeneous countries. There's an affinity for each other.

In a country like the US, we aren't "brotherly". It's us. It's them. Not caring about our brothers in this country is another result of multiculturalism and diversity. The tension. The lack of trust.
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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So what's this about a hand grenade being found in a homeless encampment in the Sepulveda Basin? Seriously?!
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Old 08-05-2019, 06:43 PM
 
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So what's this about a hand grenade being found in a homeless encampment in the Sepulveda Basin? Seriously?!
Wouldn't have happened if they were in sober living work camps. But we've lost our collective energy to manage problems in a practical efficient way.







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Old 08-05-2019, 08:11 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Wouldn't have happened if they were in sober living work camps. But we've lost our collective energy to manage problems in a practical efficient way.
So, how many Americans were interned involuntarily to forced labor in the WPA?

Ans: none.

Lol.

Your analytical mind is on showcase. Congratulations. Brilliant.

Get back to us when you’ve got the constitution revised and laws changed to your liking ...
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:14 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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So what's this about a hand grenade being found in a homeless encampment in the Sepulveda Basin? Seriously?!
So what’s this about Trump-lover Cesar Sayoc being sentenced today for mailing pipe bombs? He wasn’t homeless.

What about the Trump-loving El Paso shooter? Not homeless.

Nut cases everywhere. 99.9% of them not homeless.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:16 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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You obviously don't know who Dennis Zine is. Allow me to educate you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Zine

What in that link was supposed to impress me that Zine is an expert on homelessness?

Maybe the part about: “Zine has been criticized for failing to recuse himself from votes that conflict with his personal relationship with lobbyist Veronica Becerra”? Don’t know how it relates to homelessness ... but it was slightly interesting.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:23 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Seriously? You're now an apologist for domestic terrorism?
Here are a couple definitions for you to chew on Exitus:
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ter·ror·ism
/ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
... which doesn’t describe anything the homeless do.

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Internet trolling - the act of posting on forums to quarrel or upset people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into displaying emotional responses[2] and normalizing tangential discussion,[3] whether for the troll's amusement or a specific gain.
... which is what you are doing ...
... unless, of course, you can quote somewhere any apology for domestic terrorism I’ve posted.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:33 PM
 
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So, how many Americans were interned involuntarily to forced labor in the WPA?

Ans: none.
..
Wrong again. The alternative to WPA or CCC was starving or being in a position to commit crimes in order to feed their families. Similarly, the alternatives for the vagrants is jail or not being a vagrant; that is if we actually do want to end the vagrancy problem.

If you don't want to end the vagrancy problem, then sure, do nothing.

I'll assume you think vagrancy (aka homelessness) is a problem. What's your suggestion for ending it?
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:06 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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So what’s this about Trump-lover Cesar Sayoc being sentenced today for mailing pipe bombs? He wasn’t homeless.

What about the Trump-loving El Paso shooter? Not homeless.

Nut cases everywhere. 99.9% of them not homeless.
Most non-homeless people are not nutcases.

But most of the homeless who live in the L.A. area are nutcases.

I got an A in prop & stat so...you're welcome, and have a good evening.
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