The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (citizen, video, background)

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

What does that even mean? "california ruled that new prisons or expand existing ones out beforehand" The two cases that lead to the Supreme Court decision were filed in 1990 and 2001 and you are saying "there wasn't time"? In 2006 Schwarzenegger declared that conditions in the Prisons constituted a "state of emergency" but didn't do anything about it. It's not like this just happened overnight. And as I said California fought this tooth and nail, had they settled the outcome would have been far better.

And the next time you call me a liar, please point out exactly what I lied about because unless you can do that it looks very much like trolling or a personal attack.

It means that California ruled out expanding or building and forced the overcrowding issue on us. Stop slapping your forehead in disbelief to that which is true.

Lies. This is a Democratic controlled state, stop obfuscating. The governator wanted to expand prisons in 2006 and later proposed sending prisoners to Mexico. You think regressives agreed?

http://sentencing.nj.gov/downloads/p...06/story16.pdf

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

It means that California ruled out expanding or building and forced the overcrowding issue on us. Stop slapping your forehead in disbelief to that which is true. Lies. This is a Democratic controlled state, stop obfuscating. The governator wanted to expand prisons in 2006 . You think regressives agreed?

Yes, actually they did agree,you should have done a little more research. In 2007 the legislature passed a 8.1 billion dollar bill with bipartisan support for the creation of 53,000 prison beds.

LOS ANGELES, April 26 — In a move to ease chronic overcrowding, California lawmakers on Thursday approved the largest single prison construction program in the nation’s history and agreed to send 8,000 convicts to other states. The plan, which would cost $8.3 billion and add 53,000 beds, has the strong backing of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, who is eager to avert a federal takeover of the state’s prison system, one of the most dysfunctional in the nation. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/27/us/27prisons.html

The Supreme Court in it's Plata ruling rejected the housing of inmates out of state and mandated that the state not send any more inmates out of state.

"the court also ordered that California not enter into arrangements to lease additional capacity in out-of-state facilities or otherwise increase the number of people sent to out-of-state prisons." https://truthout.org/articles/califo...on-population/

Regarding your claim that Schwarzenegger wanted to send inmates to Mexico, you left out the details of that. He wanted to build prisons in Mexico in order to house illegal immigrant prisoners, it was such a stupid idea that his spokesman issued a statement that "the governor as of now has no official plan to send prisoners to Mexico." https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...e24571591.html

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Yes, actually they did agree,you should have done a little more research. In 2007 the legislature passed a 8.1 billion dollar bill with bipartisan support for the creation of 53,000 prison beds.

The Supreme Court in it's Plata ruling rejected the housing of inmates out of state and mandated that the state not send any more inmates out of state.
Regarding your claim that Schwarzenegger wanted to send inmates to Mexico, you left out the details of that. He wanted to build prisons in Mexico in order to house illegal immigrant prisoners, it was such a stupid idea that his spokesman issued a statement that "the governor as of now has no official plan to send prisoners to Mexico." https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/pol...e24571591.html

The 53k beds approved were nothing compared to the demand and you know it. All regressives want to do is lower the number of criminals housed and were and are willling to lessen penalties to do it. They don’t care about the people of California.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

They're just like everybody else -- keep moving folks, nothing to see here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_D2C8Li1s

This video wouldn’t load earlier ... just now finally viewed it. So you have found footage of people experiencing probable psychosis. And? They’re on the street. Very good. Who doesn’t know about this?

Here’s what you don’t know:
Of the 320 million people in the U.S.:
- approximately 4%, nearly 10 million, are living in severe mental illness (schizophrenia; bi-polar; borderline personality disorder; PTSD; various psychosis disorders; severe, suicidal depression ... et al)

- of the approximately 500,000 homeless in the nation, about 25%-30% are considered severely mentally ill ... so that’s about 125,000 - 150,000 severely mentally ill on the streets of America.

- subtract 150,000 from 10 million and what do you get, Exitus?

- ans: 9,850,000 severely mentally ill living in homes or care facilities.

Conclusion: they’re everywhere. But not all homeless should be stereotyped as such.

Now then, what do you propose be done to get the 150,000 off the streets? Short of murdering them or otherwise breaking the laws of the land as defined by the constitution and courts ...

And, in what ways do you think fear mongering as you engage in here helps accomplish any sane and legal and affordable goals?

Do you think posting dramatic (and often falsely identified) videos solves problems?

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

The 53k beds approved were nothing compared to the demand and you know it. All regressives want to do is lower the number of criminals housed and were and are willling to lessen penalties to do it. They don’t care about the people of California.

True . What about the victims ? We never hear about the victims anymore . Just hear about the criminals and how they are justice affected and their prison sentences are too long and then how sad it is they get out of jail and people don’t want to hire criminals for decent jobs so we need to make it illegal to ask about criminal history on job applications and so on .

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by jm1982

True . What about the victims ? We never hear about the victims anymore . Just hear about the criminals and how they are justice affected and their prison sentences are too long and then how sad it is they get out of jail and people don’t want to hire criminals for decent jobs so we need to make it illegal to ask about criminal history on job applications and so on .

Who said any of that, jm? More fictionalizing hyperbole from you as usual.

[USDefault]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Who said any of that, jm?

You did. By inaction, you explicitly condone criminality, drug abuse, and laziness -- and expect the rest of us to not only tolerate it, but pay for it. I say again: inaction = approval. Apologist rhetoric = approval. Making excuse after excuse = approval.

More fictionalizing hyperbole from you as usual.

To the contrary, a very accurate description. We'll believe anything you have to say when you onboard the criminal homeless to your own house. Or put your money where your mouth is: cancel paying tenants, and put the homeless in your AirBnB. You don't want criminals and the violently mentally ill put in prison? Then you house them. But don't expect the rest of us to pay the cost for your wildly misguided charitable (read: apologist) worldview.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

The 53k beds approved were nothing compared to the demand and you know it. All regressives want to do is lower the number of criminals housed and were and are willling to lessen penalties to do it. They don’t care about the people of California.

Oh really? That's very interesting so what was the "demand" since you are claiming expertise on this matter I will rely upon you for the answer.

[TCROX]

Big money escort and plenty of problems for everyone else just to get what he wants: a sober night in a supervised facility with a meal and a bed- another wildly expensive , preventable event- would it even been reported if it weren't so public ?
https://www.dailynews.com/2018/08/27...-delta-flight/

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Oh really? That's very interesting so what was the "demand" since you are claiming expertise on this matter I will rely upon you for the answer.

The demand for prison beds was far greater. You don’t want to admit it.