The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (television, testing, running)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Cool.

How much would it costs up front to develop into a multi-room homeless shelter? Ongoing costs (staffing, resupply)?

Ongoing costs? ... are ongoing now anyway. Still chuckling about your similar challenge a month or so ago that included hepatitis outbreak monitoring and management for any housing ... as if it would be new and unique and isn’t a problem already. The costs to manage chronic homeless now would go down. Period. Proven in every housing first project around the nation ... including in LA.

That all said, the cost to rennovate one of these buildings would be almost certainly astronomical, given the state of regulatory requirements and expectations. Whilesale rennovation of old buildings is often as nearly as expensive or more so than new construction.

There are better ways to house the chronics. My secret

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

But you wouldn't need to house over 50,000 people, the immediate problem is to get the most disruptive and disturbed individuals off the streets, that's what supportive housing is designed for. And most of those people are eligible for SSI, SSDI or Social Security and they would be required to use part of that to pay for their housing. We are already paying for their medical care and for police services and if you go by the experience of other Cities those figures drop by 2/3 once people are in supportive housing.

Other people could be housed in the semi-permanent tents like San Diego uses, the are housing 325 people for about 1.3 million and the people in those shelters seem to like them, they are able to keep their belongings with them and can have a pet. As long as they follow the rules they could be put on waiting lists for openings in low income rentals.

I'm just throwing out ideas, so bear with me. One thing that got my attention, my son is a CPA who works for a public agency, he pointed out that throughout the state there are large numbers of large buildings owned by City, County and State governments that have sat empty for years but they are still making lease payments and providing maintenance for them. If taxpayers are already paying for those buildings, why not turn some of them into shelters, supportive housing, or if nothing else day centers where people can shower, get medical care and look for a job?

Hi, no problem, I was just pointing out the reality of cost and where on earth would we find the buildings and space? Even if it was 1/3 the number it would still take over 200 such buildings and where will that many be found?


The problem is multi-fold. People with too little money and can't find a job or a well paying enough job and can't leave. People with mental and physical problems who cannot support themselves and have no one to help them, Alcoholics and drug addicts who resist help, then the people who like living like that and having others give them things or even just steal things. Each requires a different approach and in some cases a punishments severe enough to actually discourage living in such a way. The reality is there is no real viable solution now. Too many people and it will only get worse. It will be even worse in just a few years.

[Chelito23]

Not sure what people being documented or undocumented has to do with it. LA needs people to fill unskilled jobs as well. They need to live reasonably close to their low paying jobs. No one will commute from Palmdale to DTLA for minimum wage. Regardless the real issue is an exhorbitant rent increase for a building in disrepair in a city with a housing shortage. Focus your anger on greedy landlords, not tennants who are trying to negotiate a fair lease.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Chelito23

Not sure what people being documented or undocumented has to do with it. LA needs people to fill unskilled jobs as well. They need to live reasonably close to their low paying jobs. No one will commute from Palmdale to DTLA for minimum wage. Regardless the real issue is an exhorbitant rent increase for a building in disrepair in a city with a housing shortage. Focus your anger on greedy landlords, not tennants who are trying to negotiate a fair lease.

There’s nothing saying people need to live close to their jobs , what is reasonably close ?
People do commute far even for lower paying jobs z
What is exhorbitant though ? I mean it’s part of the deal if you rent a place especially without rent control the rents can go up to whatever the market is willing to support .

Let’s say if you are selling a car for $5000 a buyer could negotiate with you and say “I’m only paying $4000 “
But what if you have another buyer that says “ I have $5000 cash now .. ready to go “

Who would you sell the car to ?

It’s business they aren’t running a charity . also some of these renters are going to the houses of landlords and harrasing and trying to embarrass them , I don’t think that makes people sympathetic to their cause .

It seems somehow they got it their head they have a right to cheap rent , when they don’t .

[Ceece]

Originally Posted by Chelito23

Not sure what people being documented or undocumented has to do with it. LA needs people to fill unskilled jobs as well. They need to live reasonably close to their low paying jobs. No one will commute from Palmdale to DTLA for minimum wage. Regardless the real issue is an exhorbitant rent increase for a building in disrepair in a city with a housing shortage. Focus your anger on greedy landlords, not tennants who are trying to negotiate a fair lease.

It has to do with making it that much worse for citizens. If you have 100 citizens who can't afford rent that's one thing, but add another 100 illegal aliens who can't afford rent to the mix and the problem is twice as bad. Math.

[anrev]

i hope they all get evicted and really do become homeless.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Ceece

It has to do with making it that much worse for citizens. If you have 100 citizens who can't afford rent that's one thing, but add another 100 illegal aliens who can't afford rent to the mix and the problem is twice as bad. Math.

Yeah that’s the thing . It’s funny the connection of illegal immigration resulting in higher prices is never made . The big elephant in the closet so to speak . Westlake neighborhood is 44 % undocumented (illegal alien )

This is from data from UCLA

“44 percent of the total population are undocumented immigrants”

https://www.labor.ucla.edu/publicati...epico-union-2/

That’s an incredible amount . Imagine , almost half of the people living there have no legal right to even be in this country .
Crime right is very high there . Yet we always here that “sanctuary cities are safer “ which is misleading because they are lumping in Westlake with the Westside for example and other low crime parts of the city of L.A

[jm1982]

L.A supposedly “sterilized” the streets the last Olympics . When do you think the process will start for the 2028 Olympics ?
Lot’s and lot’s to sterilize these days we should start process ASAP .

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LA ‘sterilized’ its streets for the ’84 Olympics—how will it treat the homeless in 2028?

https://la.curbed.com/2018/7/12/1745...ation-security

[LuvSouthOC]

This thread has reached epic proportions...

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

This thread has reached epic proportions...

Yeah 3282 posts , CD should give me some kind of award for starting it don’t you think