The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (Montara: look for a job, engineer, steakhouse)

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

But CA is controlled by Democrats and Unions. That money will never leave their hands to help any homeless until voters get smart.

Houston is a Democratic city and has been electing Democrat Mayors for years, but the Democrats there are of a different mindset...night and day from what is deemed a Democrat in CA.

I don't view the Democrats here as Democrats...they are a different beast.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Houston is a Democratic city and has been electing Democrat Mayors for years, but the Democrats there are of a different mindset...night and day from what is deemed a Democrat in CA.

I don't view the Democrats here as Democrats...they are a different beast.

Yeah true. Texas Democrats can be pro gun, and pro life, you won't find any senator/assembly person in California with a "D" in front of their name supporting either.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Yeah true. Texas Democrats can be pro gun, and pro life, you won't find any senator/assembly person in California with a "D" in front of their name supporting either.

I think you meant pro-gun, supports the death penalty and is pro-choice.

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

If California is messed up, who is to blame for that?

Federal govt for allowing forign interests to buy up and inflate real estate.

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Funny I have not provided any narrative that does not fit the stats.

Just because the majority of homeless might be drug addict losers does not mean all of them are. The ones who just had a bad rash of bad luck need to be plucked out and helped (ie federal jobs programs). Obviously the private sector failed some of these people.

Once the people that want to be productive are plucked out then different strategies can be employed for the dregs without unfairly demonizing people who are simply unlucky.

That is my whole point, even if its only 10% of the homeless people, get them out and then deal with the true losers.

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Why should I outline Houston's plan, it's easy to look up...they did an admirable job, just like Salt Lake City and other jurisdictions with a housing first plan. I'm not defending what has done in terms of the homeless problem, it's deplorable on a state, local and national level.

So, what is your point? Am I supposed to compel governmental agencies to do the right thing and develop and pursue a viable plan for housing for the homeless? If so you are giving me way too much credit. At this time the most I can do is what I'm doing, I cook and do laundry and provide transportation for the 6 previously homeless veterans who now have a place to live due to the generosity of an elderly gentleman who decided after his wife died to give these men a home.

I heard about that guy, then the state came in and said he basement roof height was out of code and they were going to shut him down lol. What a bunch of a holes.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Just because the majority of homeless might be drug addict losers does not mean all of them are.

I totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

The ones who just had a bad rash of bad luck need to be plucked out and helped (ie federal jobs programs).

I totally agree with this.

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Obviously the private sector failed some of these people.

Exactly how did the public sector fail some of those folks?

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

Once the people that want to be productive are plucked out then different strategies can be employed for the dregs without unfairly demonizing people who are simply unlucky.

I don't think I demonized anyone for being homeless. Demonized meaning portray as wicked and threatening.

Originally Posted by pittsflyer

That is my whole point, even if its only 10% of the homeless people, get them out and then deal with the true losers.

How do you think we should deal with the "true losers"?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Matadora

Yep see how well run cities handle their problems vs. what CA does? Here you guys only chant build the camps or give them a free place to live. Get them off the street! That's as deep as it goes with the bleeding hearts.

Actually, that's not as deep as it goes. But when we start talking about services needed for the homeless, you tell us that these people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, the way that you apparently did.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Why should I outline Houston's plan, it's easy to look up...they did an admirable job, just like Salt Lake City and other jurisdictions with a housing first plan.

Although the population, poverty level, cost of housing, etc, in both of these cities really can't be compared to those of Los Angeles.

[pittsflyer]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I totally agree with this.
I totally agree with this.
Exactly how did the public sector fail some of those folks?
I don't think I demonized anyone for being homeless. Demonized meaning portray as wicked and threatening.
How do you think we should deal with the "true losers"?

If private sector cant provide full employment to everyone who is willing and capable of working then I view it as a failure of private sector, not any one company. The only solution to this is federal jobs program funded by corporate taxes (since it was the private sector companies that failed to hire them). There is a very high statistical probability that these non crap bag homeless applied for alot of jobs prior to becoming homeless and giving up, or perhaps they are even still applying from library computers, free wifi, etc.

But the longer you are unemployed the worse it gets. Pretty tough to get a job when you look discheveled and havent showered in days ,etc. Plus the massive resume gaps that employers hate.

The true losers put them in a tent city funded with very modest tax dollars so they are out of everyones hair, if they break the law then they are treated like anyone else.

In my city when the homeless would loiter too much in one area causing minor disturbances the city would bring around a water truck to "cut down on dust" and spray the area where they were laying in the grass. Like massive deluge of water spray. This discouraged them from being in certain areas. In those instances the homeless knew what they were doing, they were trying to make things uncomfortable for people going in and out of buisnesses. for the ones that just want to wander around .... well until they do something illegal then just leave them be, thats part of america.