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You're talking about an event that happened 10 years ago. You want to emmit tonnes of methane just in case another Sandy storm comes?
Methane contributes to climate change and to more of those events!!!
Do you not understand that?
I don't say this with a sarcastic tone, but the State is idiotic in damned near everything that they do: you mitigate the emissions from stovetops, but you decommission one of the State's nuclear plants, and you burn oil to produce electricity.
Then, in your plight to help the working class, you force them to rewire their homes to accommodate electric stoves, and you take working gas stoves, and cause for them to be thrown away. Hundreds of thousands of perfectly good stoves.
I don't say this with a sarcastic tone, but the State is idiotic in damned near everything that they do: you mitigate the emissions from stovetops, but you decommission one of the State's nuclear plants, and you burn oil to produce electricity.
Then, in your plight to help the working class, you force them to rewire their homes to accommodate electric stoves, and you take working gas stoves, and cause for them to be thrown away. Hundreds of thousands of perfectly good stoves.
How is this better?
It’s not but the brainwashed climate cultists don’t want to hear it.
You're talking about an event that happened 10 years ago. You want to emmit tonnes of methane just in case another Sandy storm comes?
Methane contributes to climate change and to more of those events!!!
Do you not understand that?
So given your concern about gas stoves, what about gas dryers and gas heat too. Goodness, it is a wonder we are all still alive!!!
Given the number of trees on LI and the overhead electric lines, you might be waiting a while to not only eat, but heat and dry clothes too, if we go that way.
Normally, I wouldn't mind a divergence of opinions, but not when it comes to me footing the bill...
Yeah maybe he can pay the thousands for any electrical wiring that needs to be run or a possible electrical service upgrade to accommodate an electric stove. After all we are saving the planet right? Pay up!
I don't say this with a sarcastic tone, but the State is idiotic in damned near everything that they do: you mitigate the emissions from stovetops, but you decommission one of the State's nuclear plants, and you burn oil to produce electricity.
Then, in your plight to help the working class, you force them to rewire their homes to accommodate electric stoves, and you take working gas stoves, and cause for them to be thrown away. Hundreds of thousands of perfectly good stoves.
How is this better?
You just proved that Liberalism is a mental disease
Would it be wrong of me, and I am not being snarky by prefacing it that way, by saying that much of the East lives in either urbanity, or rural, environments? And of those who live in rural environments can it be said that their carbon footprint is small?
The majority of Americans live in a suburban environment, so yes, on paper our carbon footprint looks larger.
But the fact is that China & India are heavy polluters.
It's not really snarky so much as just true. General US-style post war suburbia isn't that common though LI-style suburbia which in large parts has some pretty distinctive qualities is somewhat more common in the East especially in parts of Japan. LI's interesting in that it has settlements and town centers dating back from the railroad days and actually still has functioning rail stations with service. It also has the sort of suburbia pioneered by Levittown, but even that's pretty distinctive from what most of the US has. How large of a carbon footprint those in the rural environments have will greatly vary from country to country and situation to situation, but generally probably not very high given dense concentration of settlements is pretty common as is walking, biking, and some degree of mass transit. The rural environment mega-farms and long distances between settlements with many owning massive pickup trucks is much more of a US and Canada thing. I for some time lived in a rural area in Taiwan as a child and I biked to school and walked or biked to see friends and get random goods like treats, and when visiting big cities, would take a bus and then a train. Most of the cars I saw the farmers use were much smaller than even those used in parts of suburban US I've been in, and those were being used to do actual work rather than as daily commuters.
Yes, China and India are in aggregate heavy polluters, no doubt as they are fairly large polities that include a lot of people. On a per capita basis, they are quite far from the top polluters. They do on average have what would be considered lower quality of life perhaps, and there is a level of material wealth and comfort people probably want that we arguably already have. The problem is, if they take a pathway very similar to ours to getting there in terms of energy expenditure and emissions, then it's possible everyone's goose is cooked. It's a pretty tricky situation where we want to negotiate for them to find a way to curb their emissions when doing so would be hard for them if they wanted anything approaching our standard of living, and so to some extent we're hoping that if we find both technological solutions and political compromises, we can find an agreement that seems somewhat fair and workable,
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Originally Posted by NDL
I don't say this with a sarcastic tone, but the State is idiotic in damned near everything that they do: you mitigate the emissions from stovetops, but you decommission one of the State's nuclear plants, and you burn oil to produce electricity.
Then, in your plight to help the working class, you force them to rewire their homes to accommodate electric stoves, and you take working gas stoves, and cause for them to be thrown away. Hundreds of thousands of perfectly good stoves.
How is this better?
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Originally Posted by agw123
do you not understand that all electric is not possible on LI given the current infrastructure and COST.
There might be a basic misunderstanding here--the push is not to immediately remove all natural gas infrastructure, appliances, and use of such. It's instead to slowly shift over with new construction, which, let's face it, isn't a massive part of LI's building stock, and when there are major renovations done. This is instead then a slow, gradual shift. An immediate as in within a timeline of months or even a few years where all of this is chucked *would* be idiotic as it would be economically costly and logistically almost unworkable, but that's not what's happening or being proposed.
It's also untrue that NYS burns much of any oil for electricity production. It instead gets a lot of it from natural gas which is somewhat better in emissions for electricity generation and a lot better in costs than burning petroleum. And yea, decommissioning Indian Point without a renewable energy replacement was silly given that there was a lot of time to do so and there was a readily available source for it (HVDC line down from Quebec), though it's also true that where Indian Point was sited was pretty ridiculous.
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do you not understand that all electric is not possible on LI given the current infrastructure and COST.
Hochul doesn't either. Nor care for that matter.
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