[lvoc]

Originally Posted by bayview6

You are the guy who said that the Nevada Supreme Court would cover the back of the State Engineer. In two separate decisions the Nevada Supreme Court stated that the State Engineer would have to comply with the District Judge instructions. Since the State Engineer had previously stated that he could not make those determinations, it seems clear that the northern pipeline is not going anywhere. Moreover, the opponents of the pipeline have not even started on protecting their federal rights.

Anyway, the return credit is not going to disappear. There is no rational reason on this little green earth to remove it.

Actually in two cases the Nevada Supreme Court has ducked the issue. But again push come to shove the SE has the authority to resolve the matter according to the state constitution. I think they are in fact good decisions. But they do fly in the face of the whole history of NV water law. Did you ever notice that no water flows through downtown Las Vegas? You know where it went? That is NV water law.

[bayview6]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Actually in two cases the Nevada Supreme Court has ducked the issue.

And what was the issue they ducked?

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by bayview6

And what was the issue they ducked?

They refused to deal with the issue of the authority of the SE. They have neither supported the SE or agreed he lacks the authority to make those decisions. They just sent it back to the District Court.

[ev780]

Some are forgetting that water RIGHTS are not water. So everyone in the world can say that Vegas and Phoenix is fine but if there is no water EVERYONE will feel the pinch.

Water rights are a theoretical manmade construct and as such can be changed on a whim and without warning. So you can rest on your paper that says there is enough water for 3 million Las Vegans and we will certainly see how that works out for you in the long run.

[BBMW]

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Do you think the Colorado river will stop flowing? It may flow less, but It's been there for millenia, and it's not going away.

The problem is that everyone go used to the amount of water that flowed at it's max, and it's on a down cycle. So everyone is going to have to adjust their utilization to the new reality, at least until the cycle reverses. I think CA agriculture is going to have to learn to work with less water.

[bayview6]

Originally Posted by lvoc

They refused to deal with the issue of the authority of the SE. They have neither supported the SE or agreed he lacks the authority to make those decisions. They just sent it back to the District Court.

The authority of the State Engineer is not an issue before the Court.

[ev780]

Originally Posted by BBMW

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Do you think the Colorado river will stop flowing? It may flow less, but It's been there for millenia, and it's not going away.

The problem is that everyone go used to the amount of water that flowed at it's max, and it's on a down cycle. So everyone is going to have to adjust their utilization to the new reality, at least until the cycle reverses. I think CA agriculture is going to have to learn to work with less water.

Seriously doubt that it will ever stop. But it can flow a lot less that it does now. The distribution formula for water can be changed, the powers that be can "decide" to fill the reservoirs upstream, we in Colorado and Utah can just turn off the spigot. ( Before you even ask by building dams and keeping the water for our own growth) Sure that is a ridiculous example as it will be litigated and we will loose, but.........

Also you would all be shocked at the volume of water that is transferred across the continental divide thus into the wrong ocean further depleting the flow of the Colorado.

My point is to not to assume that today's paradigm will be tomorrow's paradigm. NEVER say there is plenty because there is not.

[gvc8]

"By JENNIFER ROBISON
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL


Forget everything you’ve heard about Southern Nevada’s water crisis.
That includes:
■ Lake Mead will go dry within a decade.
■ The Las Vegas Valley uses more Colorado River water than it has rights to.
■ Resorts and homebuilders are irresponsibly throwing up water-guzzling homes and hotels.
■ The city will run out of water completely and cease to exist in — fill in the blank — five, 10, 15, 30 years.
None of it is true...."

story link:
Water isn

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by gvc8

"By JENNIFER ROBISON
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL


Forget everything you’ve heard about Southern Nevada’s water crisis.
That includes:
■ Lake Mead will go dry within a decade.
■ The Las Vegas Valley uses more Colorado River water than it has rights to.
■ Resorts and homebuilders are irresponsibly throwing up water-guzzling homes and hotels.
■ The city will run out of water completely and cease to exist in — fill in the blank — five, 10, 15, 30 years.
None of it is true...."

story link:
Water isn

Good luck convincing the "Chicken Littles" of those facts

[UTES]

Originally Posted by ev780

...we in Colorado and Utah can just turn off the spigot...

Yep, we're doing just that on the Wasatch Front. Even though we've been in drought status too, our local reservoirs are healthy. No rationing, cutbacks or price increases for us. We're holding back water from tributaries of the Colorado - and it's legal under the compact. Once the water hits a major contributory of the Colorado or the Colorado itself, it's protected by the agreement(s). We simply divert the water at or near the source and preempt the compact.

The upshot of the above? Let's say Utah got 50% average precipitation this Winter (which we did). Normally, you'd expect Powell and Mead to get 50% of Utah's input as a result. But, it's going to be significantly less - due to our holdbacks.

Heck, if the people in Las Vegas don't worry about water - why should we? It's good to be upstream.

Bill