[BBMW]

Found the article for the incident.

Man shot after going to wrong house in northwest Las Vegas | Las Vegas Review-Journal

[SoHoVe]

For those of you using the going to the wrong house is an easy mistake to make (indeed it is) arguement how many of you would then proceed to continue beating or the door after you had been told to leave?

Also absolute speculation here but those guys could have been under the influence of a lot more that simply alcohol.

[nealrm]

The question is, where the actions of the victims ones that would reasonable match those of someone intending harm to the occupants. The question in NOT, COULD they be the actions of someone attending harm. There is a big difference between "Could" match and "Reasonably" matching. The person standing on the street in front of your house COULD be intending you harm, however it is not REASONABLE to assume that he is.

In this case you have someone knocking on a door late at night, they may have even been pounding on the door. They knew there was man inside. It is reasonable from those actions to believe that they were planning to harm the owner. NO, those actions are not reasonable consistent with planning harm. Those action are consistent with someone that is lost, disoriented or in need to help.

[nealrm]

Originally Posted by SoHoVe

For those of you using the going to the wrong house is an easy mistake to make (indeed it is) arguement how many of you would then proceed to continue beating or the door after you had been told to leave?

Also absolute speculation here but those guys could have been under the influence of a lot more that simply alcohol.

A couple of drinks, having a party with friends, a home the look similar. They could have thought the people inside were just joking around. They were talking through a door, they may not have heard or understood what was said, or were just slow in processing it. The simple thing is they didn't do anything that a reasonable person would feel threatened by to the point of needing of using lethal force. Yes, a call to the police would be warranted, but shoot through a door - NO.

[SoHoVe]

Originally Posted by nealrm

A couple of drinks, having a party with friends, a home the look similar. They could have thought the people inside were just joking around. They were talking through a door, they may not have heard or understood what was said, or were just slow in processing it. The simple thing is they didn't do anything that a reasonable person would feel threatened by to the point of needing of using lethal force. Yes, a call to the police would be warranted, but shoot through a door - NO.

You comment as if you were there when this happened.

Truth would likely be the homeowner had no idea what they were up to.

Hmmmmmm...not difficult to imagine a confused drunk yelling something to the effect of "when I get in there I'm gonna f-ing kill you" if they thought they were dealing with a friend.

That would pretty much be enough for me (especially with children in the house).

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by nealrm

A couple of drinks, having a party with friends, a home the look similar. They could have thought the people inside were just joking around. They were talking through a door, they may not have heard or understood what was said, or were just slow in processing it. The simple thing is they didn't do anything that a reasonable person would feel threatened by to the point of needing of using lethal force. Yes, a call to the police would be warranted, but shoot through a door - NO.

Sorry but it boils down to what that damned reasonable person felt. YOu got an unusually upright citizen who is no stranger to danger and stress saying he felt threatened. Its 2AM. Pounding on a door.

It is cut and dried. SYG does that. Particular with an individual of this sort.

[NLVgal]

The shooter (or at least the homeowner) is a Fire Department Captain.

This will be settled in the civil courts with no criminal charges filed against either party. That's my prediction anyway, FWIW.

BTW, if that was a cop banging on the wrong door at 2AM, this would be a whole different scenario.

You don't shoot through a closed door. Not cool, unless you are Walter White in Breaking Bad and it's an RV where you are cooking meth. Oh wait, that's TV..... In real life, if you point a gun at someone, you had better be meaning to kill. You certainly don't do it through a closed door where you can't even see your target unless your life is in immediate peril.

Some drunk A-hole banging on the wrong door does not count as immediate peril, but we all know how the juice system works here.

[BBMW]

With an intact, locked door between the knocker (if they're outside, they're not an intruder yet), and the homeowner, there is no demonstrated intent or capacity to harm the homeowner. If the person outside attempts to, or actually does, break in, or does something like shoot through the door, THEN the homeowner can have a reasonable belief that the (now) intruder intends to harm him.

Originally Posted by nealrm

The question is, where the actions of the victims ones that would reasonable match those of someone intending harm to the occupants. The question in NOT, COULD they be the actions of someone attending harm. There is a big difference between "Could" match and "Reasonably" matching. The person standing on the street in front of your house COULD be intending you harm, however it is not REASONABLE to assume that he is.

In this case you have someone knocking on a door late at night, they may have even been pounding on the door. They knew there was man inside. It is reasonable from those actions to believe that they were planning to harm the owner. NO, those actions are not reasonable consistent with planning harm. Those action are consistent with someone that is lost, disoriented or in need to help.

[lvoc]

See the Summerlin burglar shooting. And note this guy got shot multiple times...

Summerlin backyard shooting ruled self-defense | Las Vegas Review-Journal

[BBMW]

I remember this case. The big difference here was that the perp was in the back yard. So he had already broken into the property, and was working on getting though the glass back door (so the resident could see him doing this.) He didn't walk up to, and knock on, the front door.

Originally Posted by lvoc

See the Summerlin burglar shooting. And note this guy got shot multiple times...

Summerlin backyard shooting ruled self-defense | Las Vegas Review-Journal