My wife's brother is getting married and she can't stop crying (witness, religious)
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"The Jewish people were exiled from Israel by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. They survived, returned to Israel after 70 years, and then built the Second Temple. Then in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple, causing the Jews to go into exile once again."
They were exiled from Jerusalem, not from Israel itself.
Why would and should she care what some Orthodox say? What right do others have to worry about HER being accepted?
If the future husband is not yet aware that the Orthodox authorities won't accept the future wife as Jewish, he is a moron. Everybody knows that. He likely just doesn't care. Good for him. It won't impact them in any way. If the future kids at some point want to be Orthodox they can convert to Orthodoxy.
Exactly. The only people that it matters to are OK with the conversion. Who cares what some hateful sister thinks.
You might not, but if her kids ever wanted to attend an Orthodox school, they would ask. If she ever wanted to move to Israel and claim citizenship un the Israeli law, they would ask. Many illegal immigrants in the US feel American and can say they are American. You, as a nice person might even consider them American. That doesn't change the law.
Reform converts can move to Israel.
Tell the kids that the Orthodox don't accept them as Jewish and what that means for them. Likely, they will not care. Explain that they can convert to Orthodoxy anytime. I don't see a problem. I am sad that Tff and his wife are feeling bad but they really needn't be, IMO.
The couple appears not to care, and we're not discussing the subject with them now or probably ever. That would be rude.
I'm just trying to find a way to console my wife. She's devastated to welcome yet another non-Jew into the family. And this is the only one who thinks she's Jewish.
What if one day they have a boy above the age of Bar Mitzvah and he wants to go to shul with me some time and we have 9 men? What if at the dinner table he's with my family and he wants to be counted to make a zimun (where three adult men call each other to begin the meal's after beracha). This could be very complex finding ways to avoid embarrassing future nephews or nieces who think they are Jewish.
Read what I wrote above.
They will be Jewish. If you choose to accept them. Everything else can be explained to them. If you choose to let it be a problem it will be. If you do not, it will not.
Also their Reform synagoge will explain to them the problem that the Orthodox have with them. Fear not. You needn't do anything, probably. You are making it a bigger problem than it is. You overestimate how much most non-Orthodox care about what the Orthodox think.
While in your house it is Orthodox rules. They will know you choose not to include them. They will be prepared and shrug their shoulders and simply avoid coming to you if they are bothered by it.
They will be Jewish. If you choose to accept them. Everything else can be explained to them. If you choose to let it be a problem it will be. If you do not, it will not.
Also their Reform synagoge will explain to them the problem that the Orthodox have with them. Fear not. You needn't do anything, probably. You are making it a bigger problem than it is. You overestimate how much most non-Orthodox care about what the Orthodox think.
While in your house it is Orthodox rules. They will know you choose not to include them. They will be prepared and shrug their shoulders and simply avoid coming to you if they are bothered by it.
It is amazing to me that something so blatantly obvious has to actually be explained to a rational adult.
Then in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple, causing the Jews to go into exile once again."
Does that mean the destruction of the Second Temple meant the Jews were in exile?
To my knowledge, some Jews now live in Jerusalem. If the Temple were rebuilt but no Jews changed the location where they now live, would the Jews no longer be in exile?
I'm trying to understand exactly what it means for the Jews to be "in exile". I thought it meant people were not able to live where they want to live, but it seems that you are saying "in exile" depends on whether or not a certain building (the Temple) exists.
It's so nice to see so many threads celebrating love and family this week.
You forgot the
One has to read between the lines to see that both our Ba'al Teshuvas are doing this before Aseret Yemei Teshuva. Did you really it was a coincidence that they both made these thread within the 30 days before Rosh Hashana??
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A special season known as Teshuvah, which in Hebrew means "to return or repent," begins on the first day of the month of Elul and continues 40 days, ending with Yom Kippur. Thirty days into Teshuvah, on Tishrei l, comes Rosh HaShanah.
The ten days from Rosh HaShanah to Yom Kippur are known as the Aseret Yemei Teshuva, the ten days of repentance. The Gemara, Rosh HaShanah 18a, states that the verse (Yeshayahu 55:6) that states to call out to G-d when he is close refers to the Aseret Yemei Teshuva. There are a number of practices that are observed during these days...
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