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Old 06-01-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Interesting.

Employers and some skilled jobs themselves have become very skills specific and centric. Employers won't hire unless the candidate has the exact or very close skills match, especially in technology oriented jobs.

Some candidates won't put in the time/efforts to learn/update their new skills or what is required to get hired.

There becomes a gap between skills desired and skills possessed/available.
If only it was always the case that it was possible to learn/update skills on your own time or dime. I'd love to teach myself everything from scratch, but I get the feeling I'd cause a few accidents from just my book learning and hands on experiments.
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:25 PM
 
Location: PHL
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You can not really use that model and analogy in the construction field. Training is essential in that field. No one is born to know anything about everything and is automatically qualified for every position. I am just amazed how companies want the perfect candiate with all of these skills. I'm not entirely too convince that positions half of the times ever get filled. I wonder if companies just post these job openings just to make it look good on their records that they are hiring. I still see job openings which were originally posted months ago, perhaps since December and no one has filled the position.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:05 PM
 
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It's not even so much that they want perfect candidates, more so it's the fact that they want perfect candidates to work for ridiculous wages.
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:15 AM
 
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Next thing you know you'll need a M.B.A. and 7-10 years of store ownership experience to work for $7.25 as a short-hour sales associate for Hollister or something.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, Hawai'i
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Interesting. who knows.
I was recently on a sports/fitness board (not city data) in the off topic forums and someone wrote a thread that he was having problems finding a job in his area. This poster from Scottsdale got on and said something similar to not being able to find suitable candidates to the effect that he was a hiring person for this company in Scottsdale and he was having a hard time filling positions. He said one question he asked the applicants was to tell him ONE current event that is happening in the world right now outside of the US. Just one event. He said no one had been able to provide this.

To him, maybe it shows how much the applicant keeps on topics. Does the peson read a newspaper, watch news? It may not have had anything to do with the positinon, but this was an important factor to him.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:25 AM
 
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It's not even so much that they want perfect candidates, more so it's the fact that they want perfect candidates to work for ridiculous wages.
i think it's both, but yeah.

if you're not finding applicants with the perfect skill-set, then you need to do one or both of these things:

- hire people who are not perfect and train them on the job
- pay more money

pretty simple! it's the same way from the other end - if what you're doing is not working, look for ways to improve.
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:28 AM
 
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He said one question he asked the applicants was to tell him ONE current event that is happening in the world right now outside of the US. Just one event. He said no one had been able to provide this.
this is really, really sad.

but at the same time, applicants couldn't know to prepare for an out of left field question like that. should they be paying attention to world events anyway, just as humans living on earth? yeah of course. but i don't see how anyone could anticipate a question like that.
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:01 AM
 
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I don't understand hiring managers that study human resources at school just to land a job where they buy software from a company to auto-screen applicants for them so all they have to do is find cheap benefits packages, utilize the ole' suggestion-box-that-leads-to-a-furnace and ask some questions to applicants they might like that come through.

I liked my old boss. Small retail chain but highly sought after retail job. Hand-written applications. Internal references didn't help unless you were already stellar. Very realistic expectations. Chose people right for the job and the company and not people with tons of glimmering trophies and thick books of achievements.
I agree - these HR people are a huge waste of time. They have little to no actual experience doing anything and just have a degree in HR. They're like the career counselors who've never had a job other than as a career counselor, after getting a degree in career counseling. Everyone is so obsessed with a stupid piece of paper.

I was recently told I can't be considered for an internal position because even though I have three graduate degrees (including a PhD) in a closely related field, and 20 years experience actually doing the same job - including 10 as a top performer for my present employer - I don't have the exact right Master's degree they are looking for (doesn't matter that I actually have more graduate credits in that field than an MA would require - they want an actual paper with that name on it). And they complain they can't find people!! The job doesn't even pay that much.

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Old 06-02-2013, 07:07 AM
 
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this is really, really sad.

but at the same time, applicants couldn't know to prepare for an out of left field question like that. should they be paying attention to world events anyway, just as humans living on earth? yeah of course. but i don't see how anyone could anticipate a question like that.
The point is that one doesn't have to anticipate it. He simply has to be aware of something going on in the world outside of reality shows, sports or music, which Is all that so many people are wrapped up in.
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:11 AM
 
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well, if you need to hire people, and 100% of your applicants can't answer that question, you have to either choose to hire no one or give less weight to that question.

it's terrible that so many people can't answer it, but you're not going to change the way that people look at the world. and honestly, unless the job actually involves being knowledgeable about international issues, i don't see how what people spend their free time thinking about and paying attention to, no matter how sad or awesome it is, is relevant to most jobs.

i mean, what's your solution to this issue? just make people better?
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