Jacksonville! A Safe or Dangerous Place to Live, the Facts (Cleveland: low crime, zoned)

[madcapmagishion]

Jacksonville is the 15th most populous area in the USA
This ranking is based on cities with a population of over 250,000 of which there are approx. 75 out of those 75 we rank;

31st in Violent Crime, #1 was St Louis

25th in Murder and non negligent manslaughter, #1 was New Orleans

52nd in Forcible rape, #1 was Minneapolis

35th in Robbery, #1 was Cleveland

26th in Aggravated assault, #1 was Detroit

25th in Total Property crime, #1 was St Louis

17th in Burglary, #1 was Toledo

19th in Larceny-theft, #1 was St Louis

55th in Motor vehicle theft, #1 was Oakland

64th in Arson, #1 was Toledo

these figures are based on the 2009 FBI Uniform Crime Report, and as crime is decreasing everywhere Jacksonville's ranking just might have improved somewhat.

So comparatively is Jacksonbville any more safe or dangerous than any other city overall in America.

United States cities by crime rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[JBtwinz]

With the rankings you have listed, I believe that Jacksonville is becoming a safer place to live from what it used to be years ago.

Theft of property is also bad, but I would like to see violent and any crime that can cause harm or endanger someones life to continue to go down.

[madcapmagishion]

Originally Posted by JBtwinz

With the rankings you have listed, I believe that Jacksonville is becoming a safer place to live from what it used to be years ago.

Theft of property is also bad, but I would like to see violent and any crime that can cause harm or endanger someones life to continue to go down.

These aren't my rankings they are the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports rankings. But I agree except for property crime and burglary, Jacksonville is a lot safer than many cities that people claim are so much better than Jacksonville is.

[Northside904]

As long as Jacksonville isn't #1 on any crime category list, I'm happy.

[parks71]

Not so fast. Those stats are very misleading to say the least. I think most of us agree the majority of bad crime happens in the downtown AREA of jax including nw jax.

I think most of us agree that East arlington, baymeadows, north jax, and many other areas are much much much lower in crime. Any suburb is in GENERAL.

So St. louis is 66 square miles, its crime rating is rating it where crime is it's worst.

Jacksonville is 866ish square miles, so while we still have top 25 bad crime rates, thats with all the wonderful low crime suburbs diluting the equation BIG TIME.

We are using an area 13 times larger than St. Louis. THIRTEEN TIMES!!! I am sure if you used all that nice suburbian area around St. Louis it would drop the ratings way down!

I would love to see what the stats are of Jacksonville if it only included downtown and 4-5 miles each way like most cities.

It's actually quite embarrassing Jacksonville is ranked that high while diluting it with all the low crime areas!

[madcapmagishion]

Originally Posted by parks71

Not so fast. Those stats are very misleading to say the least. I think most of us agree the majority of bad crime happens in the downtown AREA of jax including nw jax.

I think most of us agree that East arlington, baymeadows, north jax, and many other areas are much much much lower in crime. Any suburb is in GENERAL.

So St. louis is 66 square miles, its crime rating is rating it where crime is it's worst.

Jacksonville is 866ish square miles, so while we still have top 25 bad crime rates, thats with all the wonderful low crime suburbs diluting the equation BIG TIME.

We are using an area 13 times larger than St. Louis. THIRTEEN TIMES!!! I am sure if you used all that nice suburbian area around St. Louis it would drop the ratings way down!

I would love to see what the stats are of Jacksonville if it only included downtown and 4-5 miles each way like most cities.

It's actually quite embarrassing Jacksonville is ranked that high while diluting it with all the low crime areas!

Stats are stats neither leading or misleading. It's how the FBI broke it down. Its kind of like you saying You Hate Jax...but only the 4-5 miles of urban Jax? So you really love the other 850+ sq. miles of Jax? And how exactly do you know how the statistical area of St Louis used was determined? I assumed it included East St Louis which is analogous to the NW sector of Jax and is mostly responsible for all the crime in St Louis, so I was informed when I lived there. I actually lived in Creve Coure a small town that was in St Louis County and part of the MSA for St Louis.

Here's something you may find useful before you move... http://www.denvergov.org/sopa/Curren...1/Default.aspx

Oh and Jax is 885 sq. miles and has a little more than 1/2 as many people as St Louis MSA

[GadgetRick]

All of the cities listed have good and bad areas (just like us). So they are not misleading. Either you live in an area where crime is more common or you do not. Even with that, you can live in the SAFEST city and still be a victim.

The whole, "Jacksonville is a dangerous place," thing is ridiculously blown out of proportion. These stats show just that. We're not at (or near) the top in ANY category there. We are, like most cities, average as far as crime goes.

[parks71]

Originally Posted by madcapmagishion

Stats are stats neither leading or misleading. It's how the FBI broke it down. Its kind of like you saying You Hate Jax...but only the 4-5 miles of urban Jax? So you really love the other 850+ sq. miles of Jax? And how exactly do you know how the statistical area of St Louis used was determined? I assumed it included East St Louis which is analogous to the NW sector of Jax and is mostly responsible for all the crime in St Louis, so I was informed when I lived there. I actually lived in Creve Coure a small town that was in St Louis County and part of the MSA for St Louis.

Here's something you may find useful before you move... 2010 Crime Statistics

Oh and Jax is 885 sq. miles and has a little more than 1/2 as many people as St Louis MSA

According to City-data.com, St. Louis has a population of 350k. Using the same source, Jacksonville has a population of 800k. I dont know where you are getting there is twice as many people in St. Louis because theres not in the actual city.

This is a perfect example of why your crime statistics are misleading for the city of Jacksonville. The actual city is zoned where it is 13 times bigger than St. louis. Yes, I understand they are FBI stats, they have no other way of defining borders because Duval county is just as big as Jacksonville.


So, to prove my point, Lets talk Denver for a moment since I am semi familar with it.

The city of Denver had 39 murders in 2009 for a ratio of 6.4 per 100,000. The actual city of Denver is small compared to Jacksonville, 144 sm. So take the next closest cities which would be part of Jacksonville if it were zoned that way.

Lakewood, 5 murders 3.6 per 100k. Arvada 2 murders 1.9 per 100k. These are west of Denver

North of denver, thornton 1 murder 0.9 per 100k

South of Denver, Glendale 0 murders 0 per 100k

East of Denver, Aurora 22 murders 6.8 per 100k

So as you can see, if you factor in all the closest suburbs, the crime rate would be diluted and go down, just like it is in Jacksonville. THese suburbs are Right next to the city, should we continue to go further away, the crime goes down and dilutes it even more.

So my point is, Crime stats should be taken with a grain of salt. Jacksonville inner city crime will always be higher than the stats. Cities like St. Louis will always be lower for the entire metro area compared to the stats because they do not include the suburbs.

On a positive note, Jacksonville crime is on the way down over the past 2 years, as it is across the nation.

[madcapmagishion]

Originally Posted by parks71

According to City-data.com, St. Louis has a population of 350k. Using the same source, Jacksonville has a population of 800k. I don't know where you are getting there is twice as many people in St. Louis because theres not in the actual city.

This is a perfect example of why your crime statistics are misleading for the city of Jacksonville. The actual city is zoned where it is 13 times bigger than St. louis. Yes, I understand they are FBI stats, they have no other way of defining borders because Duval county is just as big as Jacksonville.


So, to prove my point, Lets talk Denver for a moment since I am semi familar with it.


On a positive note, Jacksonville crime is on the way down over the past 2 years, as it is across the nation.

I DIDN'T INVENT THE DATA I JUST POSTED WHAT THE FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS RANKINKS SHOW!!!

Are you just dense or slightly obtuse? I clearly said the MSA of St Louis which is 2,845,298. Compared to Jacksonville's which is 1,525,228, a little more than 1/2 as I previously stated.

If you want to get a true feel for how large Jacksonville is compared to St Louis. St Louis's city boundary only's population is 319,294 per the 2010 census not 350K as you stated.
Whereas if you went by the pre-consolidated city limits of Jax, the population is only 104,000 in that area as per the 2010 census figures.

You keep saying '' why your crime statistics are misleading'' and this comes down again to the dense or obtuse part, one last time they are the FBI's Statistics.

Furter more ...
''So, to prove my point, Lets talk Denver for a moment since I am semi familar with it.'' ... Let's NOT as your the only one in here that cares about moving to Denver a good city to be sure.

And yes crime is down everywhere thank God. Even in St Louis

[parks71]

Originally Posted by madcapmagishion

I DIDN'T INVENT THE DATA I JUST POSTED WHAT THE FBI UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS RANKINKS SHOW!!!

Are you just dense or slightly obtuse? I clearly said the MSA of St Louis which is 2,845,298. Compared to Jacksonville's which is 1,525,228, a little more than 1/2 as I previously stated.

If you want to get a true feel for how large Jacksonville is compared to St Louis. St Louis's city boundary only's population is 319,294 per the 2010 census not 350K as you stated.
Whereas if you went by the pre-consolidated city limits of Jax, the population is only 104,000 in that area as per the 2010 census figures.

You keep saying '' why your crime statistics are misleading'' and this comes down again to the dense or obtuse part, one last time they are the FBI's Statistics.

Furter more ...
''So, to prove my point, Lets talk Denver for a moment since I am semi familar with it.'' ... Let's NOT as your the only one in here that cares about moving to Denver a good city to be sure.

And yes crime is down everywhere thank God. Even in St Louis

The information YOU are reffering to, they are not using MSA data, they are using CITY data which includes the populations I reffered to (or close to it!).

Yes it's the FBI information but even the FBI says its wrong lol. You are using it as a SOURCE, so its YOUR source because YOU are refering to it, that is why I am saying YOUR crime statistics.

Don't want to talk about the Denver example? You must have no answer for it. It's OK, I knew you wouldnt.

Not only is your reading comprehension poor, it appears you need anger management. All statistics can be misleading, its a fact of life now get over it.