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But why do you want them gone? They mow our lawns, pick our fruit and build our houses. Sure, they use forged documents to get work. But in doing so they contribute to our social security system without any hope of getting their contributions back. For the most part they are hard workers who are mostly at the bottom of the wage scale. And why do you want them gone?
Because illegal aliens are criminals to start with (and need to be punished accordingly)----------besides; the USA does not need those losers to do any work that Americans are quite capable of doing.
If we were that need of unskilled labor; can someone say work visas? Besides; maybe we would prefer Filipinos or Jamaicans in place of Mexicans since the former speak English.
If you look at the traditional, dictionary definition there is NO mention of legality. Thus, the qualifier "illegal" to denote the TYPE of immigrant. Immigration is not specific to humans to as well. Immigration stems from "migration". So no, immigration...which stems from migration, is not super specific.
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Non-citizen who has not been given permission by immigration authorities to reside in the country in which he is living.
But why do you want them gone? They mow our lawns, pick our fruit and build our houses. Sure, they use forged documents to get work. But in doing so they contribute to our social security system without any hope of getting their contributions back. For the most part they are hard workers who are mostly at the bottom of the wage scale. And why do you want them gone?
Speak for yourself. Illegals do not mow my lawn, they did not build my house, and I get my fruit and veggies from local growers who do not employ illegals. Whatever they may pay into social security using a stolen or fake SSN, is but a mere pittance compared to what they take from taxpayers. Get real!
Speak for yourself. Illegals do not mow my lawn, they did not build my house, and I get my fruit and veggies from local growers who do not employ illegals. Whatever they may pay into social security using a stolen or fake SSN, is but a mere pittance compared to what they take from taxpayers. Get real!
I swear: the illegal alien apologists are losing their marbles it seems----------the more that amnesty gets pushed back by the Obama Administration (if it ever passes).
Oh please. We ARE discussing immigration, specifically illegal aliens. Thus, the USCIS definition is sufficient. Whether you choose to accept their definition is irrelevant. As a proponent of lawlessness, I wouldn’t expect you to embrace it. Try convincing ICE or an immigration judge that these interlopers aren’t “illegal.”
Thanks for the oh-so-enlightening migration tidbit. Who knew?
Well evidently you did not. So please don't get bent out of shape when immigration is discussed in a general term...
Well evidently you did not. So please don't get bent out of shape when immigration is discussed in a general term...
This is the ILLEGAL immigration forum. If you wish to discuss immigration in the “general” term, you are in the wrong place. They are illegal aliens, and no amount of fanciful delusions will change that fact. Get over it.
This is the ILLEGAL immigration forum. If you wish to discuss immigration in the “general” term, you are in the wrong place. They are illegal aliens, and no amount of fanciful delusions will change that fact. Get over it.
Because illegal aliens are criminals to start with (and need to be punished accordingly)
They are here illegally because of the immigration laws--laws which are not enforced because if they were it would cause entire industries to collapse. The U.S. Fruit and Vegetable Industry would cease to exist. Our new construction projects would flounder. Large sections of the U.S. economy would grind to a halt.
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besides; the USA does not need those losers to do any work that Americans are quite capable of doing.
Sure, capable, maybe, but not willing. How many white fruit pickers do you know?
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maybe we would prefer Filipinos or Jamaicans in place of Mexicans since the former speak English.
Who cares? When is the last time you tried to hold a conversation with a fruit picker, or an immigrant construction worker? Is your lack of ability to communicate with these people causing you problems? If so, maybe you should shell out $3 for an English-Spanish dictionary.
They are here illegally because of the immigration laws--laws which are not enforced because if they were it would cause entire industries to collapse. The U.S. Fruit and Vegetable Industry would cease to exist. Our new construction projects would flounder. Large sections of the U.S. economy would grind to a halt.
Sure, capable, maybe, but not willing. How many white fruit pickers do you know?
Who cares? When is the last time you tried to hold a conversation with a fruit picker, or an immigrant construction worker? Is your lack of ability to communicate with these people causing you problems? If so, maybe you should shell out $3 for an English-Spanish dictionary.
With this deep recession: all of your arguments are moot.
Besides: there is something called minimum wage here in the USA; if greedy employers are not willing to pay it, either they go to jail or move their operations SoB. Problem solved.
This is the ILLEGAL immigration forum. If you wish to discuss immigration in the “general” term, you are in the wrong place. They are illegal aliens, and no amount of fanciful delusions will change that fact. Get over it.
As mentioned above in the answer to Az-bear, illegal aliens are here illegally because of a body of immigration laws that our gov't cannot enforce because it would cause entire U.S. industries to collapse.
Instead of trying to enforce immigration laws, maybe we should loosen them up and welcome in these hard working citizens.
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