Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-08-2009, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
12,406 posts, read 18,980,087 times
Reputation: 8912

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
Thats because he is planning to make all illegal aliens into legal ones... he already has a plan for legalizing all of them and if you notice, the public health care plan is only for LEGAL... once he gives them all Amnesty, they will be LEGAL... anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool
I disagree. I think he realizes that both the left and right do not want them here. Many blue collar jobs are lost because of them. During Katrina Bush had a law passed that the state could be rebuilt hiring illegals, squeezing out black contractors who lived in the area and had a good track record.

Obama said himself that people resented them primarily because of economic reasons.

He appointed Napolitano to head Homeland Security and she is getting tougher on companies that hire illegals. That is exactly what needs to be done. Make it rough for them and they go back on their own. Already a third of them have gone back home.

This debate is over healthcare and if they will be covered. You appear to be pulling at straws to say bad things about Obama. Anything will do.

There are too many people who have been hurt by their current insurance coverage - or the coverage they thought they had. There are too many middle class people who are unemployed and have no insurance at all.

Americans pay twice as much as most Western countries for health care and get inferior coverage. The system needs a drastic change. We have been complaining about escalating costs and cut coverage for decades and the guys now in charge (insurance companies) have done nothing. They cannot fix the problem because they ARE the problem.

It is obvious that we need change, and it cannot be from the companies that have caused the problem. We need the public option.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-08-2009, 09:26 PM
 
Location: The Lakes Region
3,074 posts, read 4,727,930 times
Reputation: 2377
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
WRONG!

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf (broken link)

3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.

Whatsa matter, you don't read English?



When and if health care passes, illegals will become legal in the Dream Act. S729.......
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
14,100 posts, read 28,544,430 times
Reputation: 8075
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
Obama: No Health Care For Illegal Immigrants - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Per Obama - his health care bill does not cover illegals.
And I call President Obama a bold face liar.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 12:22 AM
 
Location: SW Missouri
15,852 posts, read 35,148,408 times
Reputation: 22695
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
Obama: No Health Care For Illegal Immigrants - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Per Obama - his health care bill does not cover illegals.
Good when it doesn't cover pregnancy, he'll have my support.

20yrsinBranson
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 12:37 AM
 
Location: California
37,143 posts, read 42,240,055 times
Reputation: 35023
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pawporri View Post
When and if health care passes, illegals will become legal in the Dream Act. S729.......
That is for a specific group of people. The kind of people we actually WANT to immigrate here. Immigration isn't ever going to stop, but we can be picky.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 08:38 AM
 
20,187 posts, read 23,867,274 times
Reputation: 9284
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
I disagree. I think he realizes that both the left and right do not want them here. Many blue collar jobs are lost because of them. During Katrina Bush had a law passed that the state could be rebuilt hiring illegals, squeezing out black contractors who lived in the area and had a good track record.

Obama said himself that people resented them primarily because of economic reasons.

He appointed Napolitano to head Homeland Security and she is getting tougher on companies that hire illegals. That is exactly what needs to be done. Make it rough for them and they go back on their own. Already a third of them have gone back home.

This debate is over healthcare and if they will be covered. You appear to be pulling at straws to say bad things about Obama. Anything will do.

There are too many people who have been hurt by their current insurance coverage - or the coverage they thought they had. There are too many middle class people who are unemployed and have no insurance at all.

Americans pay twice as much as most Western countries for health care and get inferior coverage. The system needs a drastic change. We have been complaining about escalating costs and cut coverage for decades and the guys now in charge (insurance companies) have done nothing. They cannot fix the problem because they ARE the problem.

It is obvious that we need change, and it cannot be from the companies that have caused the problem. We need the public option.

WRONG... he has said it during his campaign and during his presidency... he WANTS Amnesty PERIOD... if you have Amnesty, you ARE LEGAL... YOU QUALIFY for the public plan... he has stated MULTIPLE times he wanted Health care reform by August and then he wanted Amnesty by December.. so yes, illegals will be legals and then join into the public health care option... He WANTS them here and Napolitano is a PRO-AMNESTY person... she isn't enforcing anything on companies, the recession is... She has on multiple occasion shot down ANY enforcement of illegal immigrant legislation in her own home state and tried to pass Amnesty legislation... know your history a bit... The health care plan was designed FOR illegal immigrants considering they make up 25% of the uninsured... they WILL be getting it... one way or another...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 09:36 AM
 
12,867 posts, read 14,921,177 times
Reputation: 4459
Quote:
Originally Posted by goldengrain View Post
WRONG!

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf (broken link)

3 SEC. 246. NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED
ALIENS.

Whatsa matter, you don't read English?

About a week ago, the U.S. House Ways and Means Committee defeated an amendment which would have excluded illegal aliens from Obama’s massive healthcare bill. In addition to replacing our private healthcare system with a government-run program, many have argued that this bill is in fact, a ‘backdoor’ amnesty.
The Democratically-controlled committee voted 23-18 to defeat the measure introduced by Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV), which would have required the use of the existing Income and Eligibility Verification System and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements System, before any care is given. This move would have ensured that only U.S. citizens would receive the taxpayer funded care.

While Obama has made claims that illegal aliens will not be covered by his plan, the following line can be found among the 1018 page bill: Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - “Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes.”
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-09-2009, 10:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
50,327 posts, read 47,088,247 times
Reputation: 34090
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceece View Post
That is for a specific group of people. The kind of people we actually WANT to immigrate here. Immigration isn't ever going to stop, but we can be picky.

I'd have to argue that one. Just being a dreamie doesn't put someone on the 'want' list. They may have been on the public dole already.

If they can prove no tax payer money has been spent on them, maybe.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2009, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
12,406 posts, read 18,980,087 times
Reputation: 8912
Quote:
Originally Posted by floridasandy View Post
While Obama has made claims that illegal aliens will not be covered by his plan, the following line can be found among the 1018 page bill: Sec. 59B, Pg. 170, Line 1 - “Any NONRESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes.”
NONRESIDENT - a person who does not live here
alien - a citizen of a country other than the US


I don't get your point - you would tax Swedes living in Sweden, maybe?

Since you are posting misleading information here, could you please document the rest of that post?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-10-2009, 10:19 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,863 posts, read 46,663,022 times
Reputation: 18521
A welfare state, right next to a 3rd world country and open borders.

That is a formula for a bigger disaster than it already is.

Ya, lets create a revolution, as that would be the straw, for sure.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies > Illegal Immigration
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top