Brazil Legalizes undocumented Immigrants (illegal immigrants, law, immigrate, Mexico)
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RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil—President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva on Thursday issued a law giving tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants legal status and criticized rich nations for taking a tough stance against illegal migrants.
Again, Brazil demonstrate why it has always been called as the country of the future, and now it's becoming more and more a world leader with this revolutionary thinking!!
The difference is that Brazil is amnestying 'tens of thousands of undocumented immigrants'----------we in the USA are dealing with at least 7 million illegal aliens.
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A sovereign nation has the right to do what it wants within it's territory, but I hope that as Brazil becomes more and more a world leader other countries follow her example and finally Immigration will be accepted as part of human nature instead of going against nature and criminalizing it.
A sovereign nation has the right to do what it wants within it's territory, but I hope that as Brazil becomes more and more a world leader other countries follow her example and finally Immigration will be accepted as part of human nature instead of going against nature and criminalizing it.
Do you mean illegal immigration? I don't recall people in the United States trying to criminalize immigration.
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Do you mean illegal immigration? I don't recall people in the United States trying to criminalize immigration.
No but there is a lot of hippocrisy regarding immigration, legal immigration is next to impossible, while at the same time illegal immigration is made easy, illegals are granted benefits and they have incentives to come, politicians pander to them and offer things that can't be delivered, you know the story. And the ones behind this all are rich and powerful people who profit greatly from this system in detriment of 98% of the citizens of the world (you and me included)
So it looks like that a leader that is really needed in these dark times has risen and has realized that this system is not working and is working towards new solutions. And if others follow the example the benefit will be huge for everybody, we'll be building a new society, a new reality a more unified and fair world, instead of the mess we have now imho.
If Brazil needs some Illegals I'd help pay to ship them all they need. Obviously Brazil hasn't been impacted by them as other Nations have. Give it time.
Once again, Travelling Fella, you're a "good guy", but I'm not sure how relevant this is to the average US citizen here in 2009. As AB has stated, there's a huge difference between legalizing "tens of thousands" of people, and legalizing multiple millions. I do NOT personally believe for a moment that if the US, today, were discussing the fate of 30 or 40 thousand illegals, that this forum would be anywhere near as contentious as it is....in fact, it probably wouldn't even exist.
Here's my only 'original' thought in the matter...you, as well as others, have mentioned the fact that "immigrating (to the US) legally today is practically impossible". I doubt this is literally true...perhaps it's hard for uneducated people to come here at will, legally, whenever they feel like it, in the numbers they'd like...however, we still take in HUGE numbers of legal immigrants, so that claim is debatable.
However, for the sake of argument, let's say that the US has, in fact, made legal immigration more difficult than it was 2 or 3 generations ago. Even if this is true, is it necessarily surprising? The US has served as the 'default' destination for "migrants" of all descriptions for at least a century and a half...since LONG before most nations were interested in 'taking in' foreigners. The US was seen as the 'goal' of just about anyone who had the means to walk, sail, or hitch hike here, and it was pretty much an 'open house' for most of that time, for MOST people..to a degree not seen in most OTHER 'host nations'.
Just as a thought for discussion, is it possible that now it's reached the point that times have changed?...that maybe we CAN'T continue to do this, forever?...that there's a practical...or economic...or even a MORAL limit to our 'responsibility' for the world's poor? Is it our "duty" as a society to 'take people in'?..or is it our duty to, at some point, look out for ourselves?
Remember, if legal immigration is now getting "nearly impossible"(?), it's not the ONLY thing in that category. At one time in our past, an uneducated family of 'fresh-off-the-boat' immigrants could claim 160 acres of land, FREE, just by settling there and farming it. Today, this is impossible..the land has 'run out'. At one time, any man able to swing a pick could apply for a 'grunt job'...no education, no English, nothing required...and earn enough money to support a wife and 6 kids, without assistance. Today, this is impossible. At one time, you could build a house any way you liked...no plans, no 'codes'..cut trees, hunt game, etc etc. Today, living in this way is virtually impossible.
My point is not to go on and on..only that, as times change and societies evolve, things also change. Is it possible that in addition to the above changes, ANOTHER change might be that the modern USA is gradually leaving behind its position as a "net importer" of immigrants....or at least 'slowing down'.?
No reasonable person would ever expect India...or China....or Saudi Arabia....or Uzbekhistan...or Pakistan...to ever become a destination for mass immigration. Why? For all SORTS of reasons, I suppose. My only question is, how different are we, here, today? I don't know, but it's a fair question.
Meanwhile, I'll conclude with this thought....how would Brazil feel, as a society, if THEY were dealing with 7, 8, or 9 million illegals? How would THEY feel if they were presently 'housing' 20 percent of the population of Bolivia or Peru? Maybe they'd be 'cheerful' about it.....or maybe not.
Hats off to Brazil for legalizing 'tens of thousands' of illegals, rather than persecuting them. But I'm not sure how far this point applies to our own situation here.
A sovereign nation has the right to do what it wants within it's territory, but I hope that as Brazil becomes more and more a world leader other countries follow her example and finally Immigration will be accepted as part of human nature instead of going against nature and criminalizing it.
I agree that immigration is a part of human nature, and I agree that it shouldn't be a criminal act.
But here's where you and I part ways. I think that if the world is to erase all borders, and there is to be a free flow of people from one country to another, then one very important thing has to happen: All welfare and free social services should be abolished except in cases of short-term, extreme emergencies.
I wouldn't have a problem with a "no borders" world, if it was also a world of total personal responsibility. If you want to come to this country to have your baby, then you better have the money in the bank to pay the hospital for their services. You DO NOT have the right to cross the border into another country to freeload off the taxpayers and get free delivery of your children!
If you want to cross the border into this country to get a job, then fine. But you damned well better make sure that you can afford to house, feed, clothe, and provide education and healthcare for yourself and your family. You DO NOT have the right to expect taxpayers to support you.
Most of the illegal immigrants in this country are poor, and they freeload off the American taxpayers. And I believe that half of them wouldn't even bother to come here if it weren't for the freebies they know they will get.
Also, each country should have it's own identity and culture. And if you want to leave your country, and immigrate to another country with a different language and culture, then be prepared to learn their language and adopt their culture. A free-for-all country of numerous languages, clashing morals and political ideals, and religious disputes just doesn't work.
Welll, it's one thing to immigrate to another Country, find work and be self substaining. It is another to immigrate (legally or not) and help your self to a system a society created to benefit it's members. It is just wrong on so many levels.
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