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Old 02-06-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've shown that Kimberly Dvorak lacks any truthful reporting credentials...

Why did you put the link to her article as "DHS" in your original post?...
Any source you disagree with lacks credibility. What's new?

Furthermore, I didn't name the link "DHS" -- it automatically appeared as such. Go to the article, copy the link, post it here, and tell me what you see. I don't appreciate your nasty insinuation.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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...There is only one sure way to ensure that illegal immigrants are not taking jobs from Americans or consuming taxpayer resources such as education and welfare: require proof of citizenship for getting a job, putting a child in the school system, or getting welfare or other government assistance. In effect, take away the "bait" that is drawing them here in the first place.

We already have extensive laws (and taxes) relating to hiring an employee; requiring citizenship proof is not a difficult additional burden--and the cost is borne by the employer rather than taxpayers. And we already have applications and approval processes for schools and welfare: again, the application process should include proof of citizenship at an absolute minimum...
One does not have to be a U.S. citizen (or even a Legal Resident) to lawfully get a job, enroll their child in school, or to get government assistance in the United States...

If you've watched this forum for awhile, you would even see a resistance for some U.S. citizens or Legal Residents to be enrolled in U.S. schools or to receive government benefits...
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:19 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Any source you disagree with lacks credibility. What's new?...
Kimberly Dvorak apparently didn't read the original GAO report or its summary to claim they stated the border was "Not Really" secure...
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Kimberly Dvorak apparently didn't read the original GAO report or its summary to claim they stated the border was "Not Really" secure...
If they lack the necessary mechanisms to measure or define border security, how on earth can they say the border is secure?

Note, the following quote isn't from her article.

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As of Dec. 2012 the GAO has reported that the Border Patrol does not yet have performance goals and measures in place necessary to define border security and determine the resources necessary to achieve it.

Border Patrol officials said that they had planned to establish such goals and measures by fiscal year 2012, but these efforts have been delayed, and are contingent on developing and implementing key elements of its strategic plan.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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Less Than Half of Southwest Border Secure, Government Report Says
Less Than Half of Southwest Border Secure, Government Report Says | Fox News

Per GAO
129 miles of border under full control
873 miles of border under operational control

the last time I checked, and depending on who you ask, and how it is measured, the border is somewhere between 1,930 and 1,970 miles in length, plus, or minus, a few.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Less Than Half of Southwest Border Secure, Government Report Says
Less Than Half of Southwest Border Secure, Government Report Says | Fox News

Per GAO
129 miles of border under full control
873 miles of border under operational control

the last time I checked, and depending on who you ask, and how it is measured, the border is somewhere between 1,930 and 1,970 miles in length, plus, or minus, a few.
And that was around this time in 2011, with more border control being put in place in recent years...
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:27 PM
 
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And that was around this time in 2011, with more border control being put in place in recent years...
You are wrong, there hasn't been any measurable additional fence added, or any other substantive control measures put in place during the past two years.
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Old 02-07-2013, 05:42 AM
 
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You are wrong, there hasn't been any measurable additional fence added, or any other substantive control measures put in place during the past two years.
He is wrong -- and now the Obama administration has declared there is nothing at all wrong with crossing the border illegally or with misuse of visas. Anyone who makes it over the border illegally is being promised legal status and a quick path to citizenship.

ICE agents aka border patrol agents can no longer apprehend those coming over the border illegally.

WATCH: ICE Agent Says He Can't Do His Job - Talk Radio News ServiceTalk Radio News Service

National ICE Council President Chris Crane testified that morale at his agency is at an all-time low because officers are prohibited from arresting or deporting many of the illegal or undocumented immigrants they catch.

The leader of a union that represents thousands of Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers told House lawmakers Tuesday that President Obama’s new immigration policy has made it nearly impossible for his agents to do their job.
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