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Old 08-25-2011, 07:34 AM
 
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On July 25, 2011, President Obama addressed the National Council of La Raza annual conference. The National Council of La Raza is well known for being a brown nationalist (racist) organization. So Obama has ties to a racist organization.
Not to mention their other followers also.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:27 AM
 
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On July 25, 2011, President Obama addressed the National Council of La Raza annual conference. The National Council of La Raza is well known for being a brown nationalist (racist) organization. So Obama has ties to a racist organization.
OK. So what does this have to do with FAIR and CIS?
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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Of those using Romney care in Massachusetts, 70% are illegal aliens.
Citation needed.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:43 AM
 
Location: California
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Lol. Every one of these claims is discredited at:

Cost of Illegal Immigrants | FactCheck.org






CHAAAAAAAAINNNNNMAIL!!!!!!
"A chain e-mail that makes this claim is loaded with errors and misleading assertions. Published studies vary widely but put the cost to government at a small fraction of that total."
Did you actually read the factcheck link you provided? it summarizes with this
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[CENTER]Summary[/CENTER]
Because we’re gluttons for punishment, we’ve gone through each claim in turn and report on each in detail farther down. But here are a few highlights (or lowlights) of what we found:
  • The e-mail includes a link to a CIS report that contradicts some of the e-mail’s own claims. The report found that illegal immigrant welfare use "tends to be very low." It also estimates the total federal net cost of households headed by illegal immigrants at under $10.4 billion, a small fraction of what this message claims. (which is in line with the Hanson report from MPI)
  • One "paper" that is cited is a non-peer-reviewed, non-scientific study that essentially fabricates a number for illegal immigrant criminals.
  • Five of the links lead to transcripts of Lou Dobbs’ cable television show, which fulminates regularly against illegal immigration and is hardly a neutral source. Furthermore, in all instances, the e-mail then takes the original Dobbs reporting out of context.
So instead of refuting the CIS report or FAIRs report (which aren't discredited, but actually discredit the chain email), you choose to disregard the chain e-mail (which is fine calling it discredited) and write CIS and FAIR off as racist organizations because of your own ideological assumptions about others, as criticized by a "bogus spewing informational" group that you believe is a non-profit. I am glad to see that you finally agree that illegal aliens cost us $10.4B+ per year, though.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Did you actually read the factcheck link you provided? it summarizes with this So instead of refuting the CIS report or FAIRs report (which aren't discredited, but actually discredit the chain email), you choose to disregard the chain e-mail (which is fine calling it discredited) and write CIS and FAIR off as racist organizations because of your own ideological assumptions about others, as criticized by a "bogus spewing informational" group that you believe is a non-profit. I am glad to see that you finally agree that illegal aliens cost us $10.4B+ per year, though.

Yes, instead of going through FAIR and CIS studies with a comb, I actually you know, discredited the claims being made itt. It's not like I knew he was referencing stuff that even CIS and FAIR didn't claim before I looked into it a minute. They do allude to CIS inaccuracies on the page I linked though.

I don't write them off as racist organizations because of some other group (splc). I write them off as racist because I've found out who his associates are, the people he accepts donations from, and have read stuff he has written and said.

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Old 08-26-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: California
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Then they are not illegal How you know they don't declare that income in their country IRS has double taxation treaties with lots of countries so that people
don't pay taxes twice on same income, same applies to US Citizens working overseas if they stay less than 182 days in a country they can choose to file taxes in US and of that amount $93,000 is not taxable at all
The IRS can not make treaties with other countries, only the US government can. Even it is limited:
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The United States has tax treaties with a number of foreign countries. Under these treaties, residents (not necessarily citizens) of foreign countries are taxed at a reduced rate, or are exempt from U.S. taxes on certain items of income they receive from sources within the United States. These reduced rates and exemptions vary among countries and specific items of income.
Which means that they still pay taxes on US income but have exemptions for parts of that income.
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