09-17-2009, 07:58 PM
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Houston is more dense than Atlanta, Phoenix, and Dallas. Atlanta is the biggest land wise metro in the country and less population than us. Their city of 300000 is about 4000 per square mile. Our city as a whole is that dense but the loop - where about a million people live- is more like 6-7000/square mile. I know my zip is about 6500.
DART is still light rail, and isn't MARTA for the most part?
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Dallas and Atlanta have much better rail systems than we do. So this argument that we somehow don't need it should go out the window. Also it's not just about now. Putting up a rail system now will encourage more efficient development for our future, with rational corridors of dense population along the system.
You can still steer development into those corridors with light rail (we've seen early stages of such with the existing line). Even with our density as it is, I'm not convinced that we're at the point where the investment in heavy rail is feasible. This is as of 2009 though, let's see where we are in 2029.
09-17-2009, 07:59 PM
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What you call an oil crisis I call money in my pocket
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As a biglaw attorney at one of the 3 major firms in town, can't say I disagree with that. But that doesn't mean it won't cause big problems for the commuters in the city.
09-17-2009, 08:59 PM
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Dallas and Atlanta have much better rail systems than we do. So this argument that we somehow don't need it because we're not dense enough should go out the window. Also it's not just about now. Putting up a rail system now will encourage more efficient development for our future, with rational corridors of dense population along the system.
I am not sure why there is so much hype about rail, it is one part of a transit system. The Houston metro has more people who use mass transit than both other metros so Houston is ahead of both cities in that aspect. The thing I see if people get worked up over rail because it appears modern and sleek without actually considering how effective it is. BTW, Houston is putting up a rail system which will connect to our commuter bus system/HOV system. Considering their density and their congestion levels being so very similar to ours, rail hasn't exactly helped them out to much.
I think you are getting a lot of flack because you have some utopian ideas of how a city should work that isn't entirely based on reality. New people come in here and act like they know how Houston actually functions but it just the same old story again and again and they get shot down again and again.
09-18-2009, 06:35 AM
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^ I'm pretty sure someone has shown studies on here that show that people (even though they may dislike public transportation) tend to prefer rail to bus.
09-18-2009, 01:06 PM
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Ive never been able to get a straight answer on why Houston doesnt want zoning.
In the Heavy vs. Light rail debate, it really doesnt matter. They both serve the same purpose. And people do prefer rail to bus. Its harder to get as extensive coverage with rail. I dont know about Houstons rail system, but in Dallas 90% of the rail is elevated above the ground and there are a couple of underground stations. Therefore, it is not subject to traffic except in Downtown Dallas. In Houston, is the rail subject to traffic or is it elevated?
Either way, as far as rail goes, the future is brightest in Dallas than any other city in the Sunbelt right now. They are planning very extensive growth including a light rail line that goes from Southwest Fort Worth to DFW airport and 3 more lines for DART. The 2030 plan even has an orbital line that will circle Dallas. I havent seen anything like that come out of the plans in Houston though I know they are expanding the rail system.
09-18-2009, 05:36 PM
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^ I'm pretty sure someone has shown studies on here that show that people (even though they may dislike public transportation) tend to prefer rail to bus.
Oh I agree, I'm just saying it is overhyped. Most LRT in America underperforms but it's it sleek and modern and exciting!
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Ive never been able to get a straight answer on why Houston doesnt want zoning.
Because it has repeatedly been voted against. Also, Houston's land use regulation give Houston form based zoning. For whatever reason, it has been beaten into people's brain that we don't have zoning which is FALSE. We do, it just isn't the traditional type of zoning as there are many different types. In fact, Houston recently passed an urban corridor initiative which guides the form of streetscapes and building setbacks.
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In the Heavy vs. Light rail debate, it really doesnt matter. They both serve the same purpose. And people do prefer rail to bus. Its harder to get as extensive coverage with rail. I dont know about Houstons rail system, but in Dallas 90% of the rail is elevated above the ground and there are a couple of underground stations. Therefore, it is not subject to traffic except in Downtown Dallas. In Houston, is the rail subject to traffic or is it elevated?
The current LRT and expansion is at street level and grade separated for a majority of track and has priority over cars (uses the thing ambulances and firetrucks use to signal red lights). Houston's LRT is geared for shorter trips in the urban core, while DART is more geared for longer trips to the suburbs and outside of the core. Also, a commuter rail from downtown Houston to Galveston is currently being proposed.
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Either way, as far as rail goes, the future is brightest in Dallas than any other city in the Sunbelt right now. They are planning very extensive growth including a light rail line that goes from Southwest Fort Worth to DFW airport and 3 more lines for DART. The 2030 plan even has an orbital line that will circle Dallas. I havent seen anything like that come out of the plans in Houston though I know they are expanding the rail system.
I would just point out about the bright future is the projected ridership for DART in 2013 is 130,000, which is ~8000 less than Houston's HOV/Park&Ride system to give you an idea of how effective light rail is in the sunbelt.
DART rolls in new era with Green Line opening | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News | Latest News (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/091409dnmetdartgreen.43d0b4e.html - broken link)
However, I am sure that DART will beat expectations, but it's not going to be a game changer.
09-18-2009, 07:45 PM
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Rail in places like Singapore and Tokyo works great. Houston is a very different city and I don't see rail being economically feasible here.
09-18-2009, 11:24 PM
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Rail isn't just about economics, although in the long term under the right conditions it *can* make sense from a cost benefit standpoint, given more efficient development also (less roadway construction and maintenance, less spent on gas, more cost effective services and police/fire). That's very long term and more part of an overall plan though. Remember the overall strategy is to have more liveable urban environments. Rail is just a piece of that puzzle.
You have to remember there are other interests at stake here. For instance Houston has the most car fatalities per capita of any big city. If you got even 1/5 of people riding rail (which is orders of magnitude safer than car), that would make a big dent in the number of car fatalities. There is also health factors - Houston has atrocious air quality in appreciable part because of the number of cars we have. It makes being outdoors dangerous for some people and contributes to long term health issues for everyone. There are also aesthetic interests at stake - it's much more attractive to have a less car dependent city.
Some economists could try to incorporate these interests into a CBA, but they're notoriously hard to model and for each economist you would get a different result. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself what kind of a city you want Houston to be in 20, 50, even 100 years. Do you really believe that the wisest approach is unfettered sprawl and more and more cars? It's easy to be fatalistic and think were just not like those other cities, but those other cities were not built overnight and how they are now are the resultnof decisions made early in their existence. It's not too late for Houton.
One last thing, about cost which is probably the only real compelling worry with rail. Remember that aside from the benefits described above it's very likely that Houston could get more federal money for his stuff if our city pushed the reps in DC to do it.
09-18-2009, 11:40 PM
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One also wonders if/how paving every other square mile with reinforced concrete (read: highways) is any more economically feasible. Consider land acquisition, construction, upkeep. Your contribution through gas taxes doesn't pay for any more than your METRORail fare does for the light rail's construction, operation and upkeep. Those freeways also have to have more police in taxpayer-funded cruisers burning taxpayer-funded fuel made from crude oil that gets shipped to places where we have to wage taxpayer-funded wars to ensure our access to that oil. Like Iraq. Sure, we could drill our own, but it'll be more expensive, and you'll be paying for that too. There's no such thing as a free lunch, nor is there such a thing as a free ride to lunch.
09-19-2009, 12:44 AM
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You have to remember there are other interests at stake here. For instance Houston has the most car fatalities per capita of any big city. If you got even 1/5 of people riding rail (which is orders of magnitude safer than car), that would make a big dent in the number of car fatalities. There is also health factors - Houston has atrocious air quality in appreciable part because of the number of cars we have. It makes being outdoors dangerous for some people and contributes to long term health issues for everyone. There are also aesthetic interests at stake - it's much more attractive to have a less car dependent city.
Cars contribute to Houston's air quality less than DFW's metro (which is larger) and more than ATL's (which is smaller) even though all cities share similar car use. Houston's air is from the manufacturing base (petro, refining, etc.), trucks carrying freight/cargo due to Houston being a very large distribution, and the Port. Getting cars off the road would have less than an impact than you would imagine.
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Some economists could try to incorporate these interests into a CBA, but they're notoriously hard to model and for each economist you would get a different result. At the end of the day you have to ask yourself what kind of a city you want Houston to be in 20, 50, even 100 years. Do you really believe that the wisest approach is unfettered sprawl and more and more cars? It's easy to be fatalistic and think were just not like those other cities, but those other cities were not built overnight and how they are now are the resultnof decisions made early in their existence. It's not too late for Houton.
Tell that to Austin, Austinguy. Have you forgotten how Austin sprawls from Georgetown to Kyle? Austin is developed exactly like Houston, probably worse truth be told.
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Most Common Occupations - Protective service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Fire fighting and prevention, and other protective service workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Law enforcement workers including supervisors (%)
Most Common Occupations - Food preparation and serving related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)