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Old 08-21-2007, 12:28 PM
 
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It's always been pretty bad in Texas, but Rick Perry has taken it to a whole new level. The legalizing of government corruption, the selling off of public assets to well-positioned private entities for pennies on the dollar, the so-called government watchdog agencies being run by industry insiders.

His friend Bob Perry of Perry homes introduced this legislation that took away consumer rights, specifically homeowners by forcing them to use arbitrators to settle complaints. Of course, that should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about Perry homes.
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:34 PM
 
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Don't believe everything you read above. The data is incomplete. The previous posts need to do the proper research and stop grand-standing. As with many, many subdivisions in Texas, Woodwind Lakes was built on previous oil & gas property. Here is the latest update (Feb. 2007) from the TCEQ stating repeatedly in the summary on page 12: 'no public health hazard'.
These are the facts, period:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/For...ryHC022307.pdf

Last edited by Legal Eagle; 11-25-2007 at 06:45 PM.. Reason: pdf
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:02 AM
 
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If you are looking into owning a home in that area then Rolling Fork is a nice neighborhood. Its right next to Woodwind Lakes. The houses are older but still very nice and its quiet. We lived there for 3 years until we moved up north this year to Vermont. I miss the neighborhood and our old house alot Good memories for us. We would go to Woodwind Lakes to walk on their trails or go and feed the ducks, it was that close. There is also another subdivision that is newer called Terrace Brook. Its also Fairbanks North Houston Road. Check it out. They have some nice houses.
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Legal Eagle View Post
Don't believe everything you read above. The data is incomplete. The previous posts need to do the proper research and stop grand-standing. As with many, many subdivisions in Texas, Woodwind Lakes was built on previous oil & gas property. Here is the latest update (Feb. 2007) from the TCEQ stating repeatedly in the summary on page 12: 'no public health hazard'.
These are the facts, period:

[URL]http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/FormerDelrocOilRefinery-WoodwindLakesSubdivision/FormerDelrocOilRefineryHC022307.pdf[/URL]
The data is incomplete. You got that part right.
It is one thing to have your home built on top of previous oil and gas property-but much depends on what kind of operations or activity occured on the property. For example, there is a difference between living on top of old refining operation and a gas pipeline running underground. Surely you know that.

Most people would never dream that their homes are built on top of former industrial sites-most people probably assume that they are not-they aren't looking for fine print disclosure of such activities. If homes being built on top of these sites are really no big deal, then why isn't it clearly and pointedly disclosed?

Your statement that many subdivisions are built on previous oil and gas properties does nothing to support your apparent contention/argument that it is no cause for concern. The study does not state repeatedly that that ther is "no public health hazard". That is stated once-with regards to groundwater contamination. What is stated repeatedly-and what I find interesting, is that we go from no public health hazard to "no APPARENT public health hazard". Certainly this is not a simple case of semantics.

They found no incidence of increased cancer or birth defects based on a cancer and birth defects database for people in that zip code. Maybe all that is available, but seems rather........limited. Maybe not everyone lives in that zip code anymore and often times these things take time to manifest themselves, or they are not correctly reported or reported at all-the DATA IS INCOMPLETE.

IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO THIS: Utilization of partial truth or facts creates a justifiable suspicion that any truth that is presented is distorted and tainted by the lie it is deceptively used to support.

where there is smoke there is fire.
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Old 10-03-2009, 10:12 AM
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Please ignore the rantings of this nut with a personal vendetta. Woodwind Lakes is a lovely neighborhood. My husband and I knew of the refinery issue before we bought our home. We've both carefully read the reports and reviewed the data and concluded the risk is less than breathing the Houston air. (We moved here from Seattle so we were concerned about the pollution.) We are experts, literally. My husband is an environmental attorney who worked for years as an environmental risk assessor before law school, and I am a PhD Toxicologist. We are comfortable raising our two young boys here. The neighborhood is a gem.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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Default NOT a refinery

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A former oil refinery site does not a good suburban development make. No problem.
There has NEVER been a refinery or tank farm or anything like that at this site. There is an oil FIELD which has two wells a couple of miles east of the subdivision, and a gathering pipeline a couple of miles north. The resident in question most likely found junk from eariler activity in the area, and his own private testing showed no risk to anyone. The affected soil has already been removed. Case closed.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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The photos you see here and in the paper of supposed "oil" leaching from the Provensano's yard is not petroleum. It's tea. The landscaping around here used mulch made from shredded bark at the community recycling center. When it's fresh, is has a strong odor (that someone not familiar with wood products might confuse for petroleum) and it sometimes stains the water--it's tea. Enlarge the pictures posted here and you can plainly see their is none of the color made by interference by a layer of oil on the surface of water. It's tea. It's harmless.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:41 AM
 
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...much depends on what kind of operations or activity occured on the property.
The previous Oil and Gas use was as an oil field only. The topo maps are readily available. It's called "Fairbanks Field" and 2 well are still in operation. There me be junk here and there, but no widespread contamination. I live here, and having researched the area and read the reports, I don't worry about my children playing in the yard or growing a garden. Pollution from the highways and industry to the southeast are a MUCH larger concern.

I don't know if these people are fooling themselves or trying to fool others, but they need to believe the science and chill.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:50 AM
 
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Default Woodwind Lakes

Woodwind lakes is a nice safe place with a strong HOA, served by a constable who patols the neighborhood.
The neighborhood is well maintained and has held is own well as the housing market has been hit. There is a standard ISD public school off one corner of us, and one of the best science charter schools (also public) a mile off the other corner. We are in close, regular contact with the constable, and the residents pitch in to help one another. Yes, we have the occasional crime, mostly people not securing their property, but this is one of the safest parts of Houston, and it is convenient to the park & ride, Willowbrook mall, 290 and the beltway, so you can easily get where you are going. The only trouble is finding a house, people here tend to stay in the neighborhood even when they outgrow (or outlive) their house.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:57 AM
 
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[URL="http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-04-12/news/woodwind-lakes-subdivision-built-on-oil-and-gas-field-turns-on-neighbor-who-pointed-out-the-contamination/"]Houston - News - Woodwind Lakes subdivision built on oil and gas field turns on neighbor who pointed out the contamination[/URL]

Is this the same place?
Yep. That's us. But don't beleive everything you read in that article. There was an oil field here in the past. It overlapped only the back section facing Faribanks North Houston, and only the Andersons have ever reported finding anything remotely alarming. TCEQ took a look and found some traces of oil (that could be from anything) and to calm them, hauled off their topsoil and gave them a new yard. There is no problem except people who don't do therir homework and get themselves spooked over nothing.
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