Were the 2000s more like the 90s or 2010s? (WWII, JFK, assassin)
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YES! I remember this so well! Rap music and ghetto culture was EVERYWHERE! IT was so unbelievably annoying. Especially when you had upper middle class white kids trying to act "ghetto". Trash rap music littered nearly every facet of pop culture back then. As a die hard rock fan, the early and mid 2000's were tough times for us. I think that some of the best progressive rock music was made during those times, but went largely unnoticed due to the nation's fascination with trashy rap music. It wasn't really until about 2007 or 2008 that this finally began to turn, and various forms of alternative rock and new variations of pop with actually talented artists began to take center stage again.
Amy Winehouse, Adelle, One Republic, Foster the People, are all that really comes to mind now, but the music industry took a decidedly positive turn and actually found some good talent out there. May have had something to do with the social media boom and a lot more artists getting recognized, unfortunately it worked in the favor of bad ones too...such as Justin Beiber.
Times are so much better today fashionably and music wise than they were 10 years ago. 2004 was part of my teenage years, and they shaped me into who I am today, but pop culture has definitely taken a step up in many ways within the last 10 years.
I'm a fan of all kinds of rock, and I was getting frustrated too. You have no idea how my heart sunk when I saw "Candy Shop" leapfrog "Boulevard Of Broken Dreams" on the Billboard Hot 100 early in 2005, denying Green Day a #1 hit. Later that year, my wish to see "Photograph" knock "Gold Digger" off the top of the chart was denied as well. Thank God for James Blunt. As much as we snicker about "You're Beautiful" now, it was ****ing awesome to see a #1 hit that the "rhythmic" Top 40 stations couldn't play at all, because they couldn't remix the guitars out of it. That song was the first crack in the dam.
By the way, you know who's almost as evil as Muslim supremacists, Congressmen, lobbyists and Wall Street CEOs? Upper-middle-class kids. As ill as I've spoken of ghetto culture, I still understand that the ghetto is merely where the middlemen are, and the real demand for drugs is in the precious "Blue Ribbon" high schools in the upper-middle-class suburbs. American teenagers are one of the main reasons other countries hate us. They travel overseas simply to partake in activities that are illegal here, and that might not even be legal where they go. They don't care about cultural experiences; they only care about chemical experiences.
On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't feel sorry for Natalee Holloway? All A's in school and no common sense. All book smarts and no street smarts. She was in over her head the moment she got her passport. Joran van der Sloot is scum, but if Holloway and her flock of friends were so innocent, then the owner of the hotel where they stayed in Aruba would not have told them that they were never welcome back to his hotel. Not only do I not feel sorry for her, but I don't feel sorry for Amanda Knox either, for that matter. Don't like the way the legal system works in other countries? Don't do anything stupid overseas and you won't have to deal with it.
Back to pop culture, I believe that someday we'll look back at popular music from the 2000's the same way we do popular music from the 1970's: plenty of excellent songs, but a disproportionately large number of terrible songs too, relative to other decades. And 2000's hip-hop will be looked at the same way as disco, with a cult of hard-core fans in a sea of people unimpressed by the vapidity and conspicuous hedonism of the scene.
Green Day was still pretty big. They were able to nab a large portion of the spotlight in an era that was crazed over ghetto culture, I still consider that quite impressive. However, there were so many other bands trying to make it big that just couldn't gain the traction that I think they deserved because of the type of music that was "at the top". The nation's infatuation with Fergie, 50 Cent, Jay-Z, and other garbage "musicians" held back a lot of other talented musicians that couldn't climb the ladder. Maybe it's because I was a teenager in this time, but I think some of the best rock songs ever were produced in the early to mid 2000's. Chevelle, Future Leaders of the World, Hurt, Seether, Shinedown, Rise Against, Saliva, Linkin Park, 3 Days Grace, Smile Empty Soul, and plenty of smaller more underground bands in those times.
I'm glad that i the 2010's the rap culture and music has begun to fade some. I still hear it plenty though, too often for my tastes, and I see the quality of it has not improved, hearing songs by "Drake" about "yolo" or this other group that "sings" this song about "Started from the bottom now we're here" and repeats that damn line one thousand times throughout the song are SO annoying.
I had hoped that most rap culture and rap songs would die out kind of like Grunge or Emo did, just a short fad or flash in the pan. Unfortunately, there are enough "drones" around that keep blasting this music not even knowing what they're talking about. When I was in high school it was the upper middle class white kids who got on my nerves most about this crappy music. Now living in the south I see country red neck white kids in lifted trucks listening to rap. Kind of wonder if they would be the kind to attend a rap concert or not. *shakes head*
Judging from these posts, and my own experiences it seems like we are less and less in touch with what's trending, what defines a decade, and the overall culture of the decade after we leave high school or college.
In terms of youth culture or pop culture(especially music or fashion), yes, that's usually sort of true. Once we get older you don't really focus on every little trend of each year and you're further away from being the intended market for what's new. I can look back at the early 90s and remember how 1992 felt different(in my mind at least) from the cultural styles of 1991 and what was popular in 1993 and 1994 vs. 1995(how punk rock became popular and grunge was played out). Someone who was in their thirties or older during the era probably just looks at the period from 1991-1995 just being one muddled mess on the other hand. Towards the end of the 90s when I entered college, I really lost interest in a lot of pop culture--all the music we listened to was from the past or more obscure.
Though on the other hand as I've gotten older I've started to realize how cyclical everything is--and with a larger frame of reference I notice how a lot of trends are just aping styles of the past. There's also sort of a 15-25 year cycle of nostalgia that comes and goes for certain past eras. Just like 80s crap was big in the 2000s and now 90s stuff is coming back. Like a lot of the early 90s music was just taking a lot of stuff from the 70s(grunge was just a more punkish version of 70s hard rock and heavy metal and rap of the era was mostly sampling 70s funk).
Also though I'd say that decades and eras aren't solely defined in terms of history by youth culture alone. A lot of events in terms of politics and the economy aren't maybe as followed or felt as much as when you're young, but when you are older you start to have more of a stake in things. What you remember as a kid makes the biggest impact on you, but there are things going on that you won't understand until you read about them later in history books. That's how I feel going back to read about events during the 80s that went on--I remember as a small kid hearing about the events of the Reagan era, Cold War-era politics, Iran-Contra, yuppies, trickle-down economics, urban decay and so on though at the time I had little idea of what it all meant.
I went to the bowling alley and they were playing a lot of songs from the 1999-2005 period and I have to say they sound pretty dated compared to something like Zedd or Imagine Dragons. I generally consider anything up to 2005 similar to the mid-late 90s and anything since 2009 similar to today. 2006, 2007, 2008 is somewhere in between.
I was watching a movie on television the other day, besides a few of the older cars, I had a very difficult time telling what year the movie was from. The hairstyles, clothes, and overall styles of the people in the movies were very similar to what is around today. I finally found the movie on IMDB, The Upside to Anger, it was from 2005.
I was watching a movie on television the other day, besides a few of the older cars, I had a very difficult time telling what year the movie was from. The hairstyles, clothes, and overall styles of the people in the movies were very similar to what is around today. I finally found the movie on IMDB, The Upside to Anger, it was from 2005.
I think 9 years isn't always enough time to tell a difference. Though I agree 2005 fashion isn't that much different from today's. I can tell early 2000s from late 2000s/early 2010s though most of the time.
I think 9 years isn't always enough time to tell a difference. Though I agree 2005 fashion isn't that much different from today's. I can tell early 2000s from late 2000s/early 2010s though most of the time.
In a lot of other time frames 9 years is huge.
1991 to 2000. Pretty big difference
2000 to 2009
1965 to 1974
1977 to 1986
Huge difference in all of those years. I don't see the same kind of difference from 2005 to 2014 though. Don't get me wrong, things have progressed and changed...but not as much. Maybe it's my own biased view? I don't know, but I feel like today has not changed much since the mid 2000's in terms of fashion and style.
I disagree with the OP - mid 2000s were nothing like the 90s...
Okay, maybe it DEPENDS on the PERSON and how WE PERCEIVE things, but the years 2004-2006 were a LOT more like TODAY than the 90s. The 90s 'spillage' sort of diluted in early 2003. I mean, everything sort of went 'technological', akin to today, in 2004 and onwards (I mean, we had Youtube & Myspace in 2004 and 05 receptively!). Music & movies in mid 2000s were more like today's than anything in the 90s!
1980s: 1981-1991
1990s: 1991-2002 (long decade)
2000s: 2003-2011 (short boring decade...90s essence was around early in the decade & 2010s kicked in hard)
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Originally Posted by ColdAilment
I don't see the same kind of difference from 2005 to 2014 though. Don't get me wrong, things have progressed and changed...but not as much. Maybe it's my own biased view? I don't know, but I feel like today has not changed much since the mid 2000's in terms of fashion and style.
I agree. I think it's because the 2000s, most of all, were rather rehashed and boring in terms of fashion and music. It wasn't an original decade. Hell, the 2010s seem more interesting than the quintessential parts of the 2000s (2004-2006).
I disagree with the OP - mid 2000s were nothing like the 90s...
Okay, maybe it DEPENDS on the PERSON and how WE PERCEIVE things, but the years 2004-2006 were a LOT more like TODAY than the 90s. The 90s 'spillage' sort of diluted in early 2003. I mean, everything sort of went 'technological', akin to today, in 2004 and onwards (I mean, we had Youtube & Myspace in 2004 and 05 receptively!). Music & movies in mid 2000s were more like today's than anything in the 90s!
1980s: 1981-1991
1990s: 1991-2002 (long decade)
2000s: 2003-2011 (short boring decade...90s essence was around early in the decade & 2010s kicked in hard)
I agree. I think it's because the 2000s, most of all, were rather rehashed and boring in terms of fashion and music. It wasn't an original decade. Hell, the 2010s seem more interesting than the quintessential parts of the 2000s (2004-2006).
Hate to be particular, but YouTube did not come out until 2005, I know this for a fact, can't say for sure when Myspace did, but I know you had Friendster and Xanga shortly before Myspace became popular.
Definitely agree though that the 2010's is when things slowly started to change from the early and mid 2000's, the new technological revolution kicked in, yet fashion moved slow since things today aren't a whole lot different from the mid 2000's.
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