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Old 05-07-2013, 08:22 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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Make no mistake though, Russia is still a threat. They are close allies with this nations enemies and still consider America to be a threat to them. Whatever change Russia has undergone they're no friend to the U.S.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:13 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Make no mistake though, Russia is still a threat. They are close allies with this nations enemies and still consider America to be a threat to them. Whatever change Russia has undergone they're no friend to the U.S.
Russia's willingness to make enemies in the civilized world has bitten them in the arse before and will again. I remember when we all thought that all those Russian tanks being used by Iraq were an actual threat to modern tanks. Turned out the Russian tanks were getting busted by American tanks that the Iraqis couldn't even see.

And there is the issue of natural gas. Russia sits on an enormous stockpile on natural gas, which they pipe across Ukraine into Europe. But they sell it to Europe at a rate tied to oil, a setup which exists nowhere else in the world and forces Europe to pay above market rate for natural gas.

LNG (Liquified Natural Gas) is coming world wide, and will make the Russian pipeline obsolete. There are many LNG sites and tankers being built or already in operation precisely because of situations like exist in Russia.
Europe is paying something like 15$ per 1 Mil BTU now. The proper price is more like 8 or 10. It's gonna bite Russia in the rear someday. Again.
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:37 AM
 
Location: West Texas
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In 2009, Russia cut off gas supplies without warning during a cold snap to Ukraine and to Europe by extension. This lasted for three weeks. Which caused the International Energy Agency to deem them an unreliable supplier.

If they do fall weather by economics or the gun, whenever that may happen at present they are still a threat to this country.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Default Theory about decline of USSR

The biggest factor was their overspending on the military.

Something we seem to have missed noticing.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:51 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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I think they collapsed because communism only works in theory. It is a system of government which assumes people are basically good and will keep the larger interests of the state in mind at all times.

Turns out that they aren't and they won't. You have to threaten them into behaving well.
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:08 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The biggest factor was their overspending on the military.

Something we seem to have missed noticing.
Yeah. It might look a little better if they had built stuff that worked well. But, yeah, 800 billion/year is a lot for the USA.

Russian Submarines; tanks; (there are no super carriers); all that stuff didn't work very well. And now we gotta hitch a ride on their dang spaceships! Is there no END to this humiliation?!
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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Make no mistake though, Russia is still a threat. They are close allies with this nations enemies and still consider America to be a threat to them.
Well may be because IT IS in fact a threat?
Did you ever consider that?

Who's Noticing the NATO Danger?, by General Leonid Ivashov
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Old 05-07-2013, 12:20 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The USA a threat? Sure, but that depends on what Russia wants in the first place.

......The world financial empire spares no expense to create a mighty military battering-ram in the form of the American armed forces and NATO to expand its system of global surveillance and control over every square meter of land and sea, annihilation of planes at take-off and missiles at launch, and strikes at any spot on the planet at any moment.......

That is a quote from the article referenced above. "control over every square meter of land and sea, annihilation of planes at take-off and missiles at launch"?

Oh, come now. Russia want to become a world power again. That's all.So, yeah. The USA is a threat. Actually, we're an obstacle.
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Old 05-07-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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Do you think it declined because of Gorbachev's harsh stance on alcohol? Did taking away vodka = the end of Soviet Russia?

I know if the US government took away our brewski, people would be pissed.
No -- people just made moonshine. All it hurt was the Soviet government's ability to collect taxes.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:53 PM
 
Location: West Texas
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Ivashow wages a battle of words against the U.S. because of our Military might. It's not what it use to be but where we have over one million military personnel. Russia is trying to get to a troop level of roughly half of that. But the number of troops is nothing in comparison of a nuclear weapon.
I don't propose the U.S. or Russia has an itchy trigger finger but I still believe in peace through strength.

It's just how I see things.
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