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The attitude of the OP reminds me of an old joke about Sammy Davis Jr. As a black American he converted to Judism. Sammy was reported to say , that, becoming a Jew was a real breakthrough, "Now I can hate myself!"
The attitude of the OP reminds me of an old joke about Sammy Davis Jr. As a black American he converted to Judism. Sammy was reported to say , that, becoming a Jew was a real breakthrough, "Now I can hate myself!"
Perhaps he only converted so that he could tell the jokes...
I always heard both terms and assumed they were more or less the same.
Since you mention it, I guess it stands to reason that if the Nazis wanted to immediately kill a certain group, a death camp would be used. If they needed work done first by a group, the concentration camp would be the place. They could get some work out of them first, then kill them or starve them, etc.
I only recently read that Bayer provided the poison gas often used, that Volkswagen and Siemens had factories at some camps and that Siemens built some of the gas facilities.
As an electrician sometimes having to use Siemens products, this makes me sick.
I always heard both terms and assumed they were more or less the same.
Since you mention it, I guess it stands to reason that if the Nazis wanted to immediately kill a certain group, a death camp would be used. If they needed work done first by a group, the concentration camp would be the place. They could get some work out of them first, then kill them or starve them, etc.
I only recently read that Bayer provided the poison gas often used, that Volkswagen and Siemens had factories at some camps and that Siemens built some of the gas facilities.
As an electrician sometimes having to use Siemens products, this makes me sick.
And some of the German uniforms were made by Hugo Boss who was a Nazi.
I always heard both terms and assumed they were more or less the same.
Since you mention it, I guess it stands to reason that if the Nazis wanted to immediately kill a certain group, a death camp would be used. If they needed work done first by a group, the concentration camp would be the place. They could get some work out of them first, then kill them or starve them, etc.
I only recently read that Bayer provided the poison gas often used, that Volkswagen and Siemens had factories at some camps and that Siemens built some of the gas facilities.
As an electrician sometimes having to use Siemens products, this makes me sick.
I thought it was IG Farben. No matter though.
These camps and their killing machinery obviously weren't the work of some unskilled handymen. They were planned and built with an eye towards efficiency and volume. It took professional people from big companies to get the designs "right".
It wasn't only the working class that participated in the Holocaust. It was supported by the highest reaches of society.
These camps and their killing machinery obviously weren't the work of some unskilled handymen. They were planned and built with an eye towards efficiency and volume. It took professional people from big companies to get the designs "right".
It wasn't only the working class that participated in the Holocaust. It was supported by the highest reaches of society.
Also, another difference is concentration camps go back to pretty much the start of
thr Nazi regime...1933....whereas the death camps were much later, like during the war,
mostly after 1942.
there were 6 death camps.
there were around 980 concentration camps.
a death camp is a concentration camp.
a concentration camp is not necessarily a death camp.
a death camp was practically only used for murder.
a concentration camp had many purposes.
All quite true.
And... so what?
Given that in common English usage the term 'concentration camp' is all but synonymous with 'death camp', the only people who use 'concentration camp' to mean something other than 'death camp' seem to be those intentionally spoiling for an argument wherein they can lord their self-perceived superior knowledge of terminology over others.
Given that in common English usage the term 'concentration camp' is all but synonymous with 'death camp', the only people who use 'concentration camp' to mean something other than 'death camp' seem to be those intentionally spoiling for an argument wherein they can lord their self-perceived superior knowledge of terminology over others.
Or it could be that some people would rather stick to the actual designations on a history forum. It's bad enough that some people refer to internment camps as concentration camps. There are very big differences among the 3.
Or it could be that some people would rather stick to the actual designations on a history forum. It's bad enough that some people refer to internment camps as concentration camps. There are very big differences among the 3.
Internment camps and concentration camps are by definition the exact same thing.
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Interned persons may be held in prisons or in facilities known as internment camps. In certain contexts, these may also be known either officially or pejoratively, as concentration camps.
When you intern (interment camp) people, you are by definition concentrating (concentration camp) them.
You can't have it both ways. If you're going to insist on the strict definition and ignore the cultural context in one instance, then you have to accept the strict definition and ignore the cultural context in all instances.
there were 6 death camps.
there were around 980 concentration camps.
a death camp is a concentration camp.
a concentration camp is not necessarily a death camp.
a death camp was practically only used for murder.
a concentration camp had many purposes.
I'll address this from a classroom teacher (well a retired one) perspective. In the type of History survey courses (usually US and World, maybe AP European) you find in high school and college there just isn't time to go into that type of detail, especially when the focus iron the Holocaust totality is the focus. I would mention the differentiation in passing but not much else. Occasionally you'd have a kid who would already know.
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