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What would have happened if Hitler and the Nazi regime took Austria and Czechoslovakia and then stopped? What would Germany and these areas look like today? How would his government be functioning today? Do you think it could have even lasted until today considering no one attacked them?
I make this thread because I have yet to see what Hitler's or the Nazi's grand plan would have looked like in the long run. His government wasn't completely socialist and it wasn't completely capitalist. It was neither religious nor non-religious. It wasn't specifically focused on either the individual or the community. Fascist or Nazi government types were extremely efficient at growth and conquest, but what would they look like after the growth and conquest was done?
Since it is beyond my capabilities, or anybody else I suspect to separate the Third Reich's war based economy from a potentially peaceful one. Would it have collapsed under its own weight or dragged along like Franco's Spain. I doubt that there is any way to guess.
I think the more ideal scenario for Hitler would be if he had not invaded Russia and just stopped once he conquered the rest of Europe. The Nazi's would have had firm control over France, the Low countries, Austria, half of Poland, Sweden, Norway, Finland, much of the Balkans, Italy as his ally, and Spain as a client state. That is a huge area he could have had. England would have been forced to declare peace with Germany. Hitler could have sent aid to the Japanese and discouraged them from going to war with America, which would have meant America staying out of the war in Europe.
Hitler could have suspended any further warfare and spent some time building back up his military strength. He would have had access to vast resources and would have had far more manpower to draw from for troops. Then maybe in 1945 he could have launched an invasion of the Soviet Union after 4 years of building up his military.
I'm wondering how we get out of a world wide depression without Hitler kicking off the war. The German economy was ready to tank without expansion. But then again, if we have a "Peace Hitler" then he wouldn't have invested so heavily in the military. Would be nice to see the artist and architect at work, making Berlin the new Athens of Europe. The German economy would have bounced back I think. They had a good pool of science and research people to give them a leap forward. I'm sure they would compete well in the world marketplace, even without the jews whom would have dodged the holocaust and fled to other countries, many of them helping to form the now more populus state of Israel.
Germany would become more moderate socially after Hitler and next in line, Himmler dies off. But I think they stay pretty far to the right for a long time, because of the hitler youth. Those kids were raised on sieg heil, and that was the only tune they knew.
I don't see any way this would have happened unless Hitler met an unexpected death between 1937 and 1941; his mythical charisma and his blind hatred of the Jews were a combination that could not have fomented the same result in any other high-ranking Nazi, IMHO
But if that much is assumed, I suspect the Nazi regime would have run afoul of Stalin, regardless, and the Soviets might well have forced an Armistice on Germany. I'll leave additional speculation for a later post.
Germany would become more moderate socially after Hitler and next in line, Himmler dies off
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Hermann Goring was designated by Hitler as his successor in 1941 and held that position until just before Hitler's suicide. Himmler was head of the SS and eventually Minister of the Interior, but behind Goring in line for the top spot. Himmler attempted to negotiate with the western Allies in 1945 as though he was empowered to do so, but he was actually acting on his own.
Hitler disowned and condemned both Goring and Himmler on April 29th, the day before his death and designated Admiral Donitz as his successor.
I do not think that there was ever a point where Himmler was next in line.
That is correct Grandstander, but I always think of Himmler as being the one most likely to fix an "accident" that would leave him top dog. Himmler was there with Hitler back in the beer hall putsch days, fresh from the chicken farm. For some reason Himmler or Goebbles seem like better candidates to be fuhrer than that dope head clown, Herman Goring.
It's the most ruthless one that I would put my money on, and that was Himmler. Kind of like in the USSR, when Lenin said "Anyone but Stalin" and who did they get ?
That is correct Grandstander, but I always think of Himmler as being the one most likely to fix an "accident" that would leave him top dog. Himmler was there with Hitler back in the beer hall putsch days, fresh from the chicken farm. For some reason Himmler or Goebbles seem like better candidates to be fuhrer than that dope head clown, Herman Goring.
It's the most ruthless one that I would put my money on, and that was Himmler. Kind of like in the USSR, when Lenin said "Anyone but Stalin" and who did they get ?
I think that Goring was a great deal more than a dope head clown. Among the Nazi hierarchy, he was also the only one who radiated traces of humanity, albeit mere traces, dwarfed by his crimes. Germany would have been far better off under Goring than under Himmler or Goebbles.
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I think that Goring was a great deal more than a dope head clown. Among the Nazi hierarchy, he was also the only one who radiated traces of humanity, albeit mere traces, dwarfed by his crimes. Germany would have been far better off under Goring than under Himmler or Goebbles.
Indeed.
IQ's of Nazi leaders tried for war crimes:
1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141 3Hermann Goering138
4 Karl Doenitz 138
5 Franz von Papen 134
BTW, Irishtom, did you notice Doenitz also scored a 138? Still think he was an idiot and that Admiral King was a smart fellow?
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