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Seventy-seven U.S. scientists who have won a Nobel Prize today asked Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, and Alex Azar, secretary of Health and Human Services, to “act urgently” to review a controversial NIH decision to terminate a grant that supported research into bat coronaviruses in China. NIH’s explanation for killing the grant was “preposterous,” the laureates write.
Thirty-one scientific societies have also written to Collins, calling on NIH “to be transparent about their decision-making process on this matter. … The action taken by the NIH must be immediately reconsidered.”
On 24 April, NIH informed the nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, led by wildlife disease specialist Peter Daszak, that it was ending a grant, first awarded in 2014 and renewed in 2019 because it no longer aligned with the agency's priorities. The move came after Conservative U.S. politicians and media suggested—without evidence—that the coronavirus causing the pandemic escaped from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, that employs a Chinese virologist who had received funding from the grant. The termination also came 1 week after President Donald Trump, when asked about the project at a press conference, said: "We will end that grant very quickly."
In their letter, the Nobel laureates say they "are gravely concerned" about that decision. "We believe that this action sets a dangerous precedent by interfering in the conduct of science and jeopardizes public trust in the process of awarding federal funds for research. … Now is precisely the time when we need to support this kind of research if we aim to control the pandemic and prevent subsequent ones."
The signers of the letter include researchers who won a Nobel Prize as recently as 2019, and as long ago as 1975.
The letter from the scientific societies was organized by the American Society for Biochemistry and Molecular Biology (ASBMB). "Our aim with this effort is to stand up for a scientific enterprise that should be free of political influence on sound scientific research," said Benjamin Corb, public affairs director for ASBMB, in a statement. "The continued politicization of science during this pandemic crisis is an alarming trend that is risking not only the integrity of science, but also the lives of citizens."
This is why I think it's so important to establish whether, or not, the covid pandemic resulted from the collection/manipulation of viruses - if it did, what will these Nobel winners say then?...." double or nothing?"
A simple assertion from my non scientific perspective, is that Humans can make a far deadlier virus than nature can, or cause a virus to have more impact than it would naturally - it's possible that these Nobel winners are defending a process that has just killed millions.
Anyone who believes that Covid 19 wasn't a serious problem after it killed over a 1,000,000 Americans is a strange person indeed. Its Covid that has killed millions. Not the Covid vaccine or any other vaccine. If we hadn't developed the vaccines and administered them to large numbers of people its estimated that another 3,000,000 would have died in the USA alone.
Frankly, it amazes me that some people listen to the nonsense you are spouting here, but I've learned a lot of things that I didn't want to know about some of the people around me since the Covid pandemic struck.
That's another reason confidence in our scientific advisors is deteriorating....As you have been led to believe by the propaganda, they've told us that the CoViD vax saved millions.....That's not borne out by the data. In fact, by the time the vax was made avaiable, the death rate in unvaxed people was already coming way down, and in the end, the difference between vaxed vs unvaxed was pretty small and just barely discernable in the data.
Nobel Prize???....Given that Arafat, an obvious terrorist, and Obama, even before he took office and had been little more than in ineffective state legislator & fed senator were both awardd The Peace (!) Prize, what credibility does that Nobel Committee have?....Science is not a plebiscite. Survey votes & petition signatures mean nothing.
That's another reason confidence in our scientific advisors is deteriorating....As you have been led to believe by the propaganda, they've told us that the CoViD vax saved millions.....That's not borne out by the data...
What data? Are you now a master of epidemiological analysis, superior to those who've researched this in several countries worldwide? That's one hell of a cocksure attitude.
In Guido we trust. The following group of people who were involved in just one of the studies that have concluded the Covid vaccines saved so many lives (The vast majority in those over 60 years) got nothin' on him.
Meagan C. Fitzpatrick
Faculty, Center for Vaccine Development and Global Health, University of Maryland School of Medicine
Seyed M. Moghadas
Professor of Applied Mathematics and Computational Epidemiology, York University
Abhishek Pandey, PhD
Abhishek Pandey
Research Scientist in Epidemiology (Microbial Diseases), Yale School of Public Health
Alison Galvani, Ph.D
Alison P. Galvani
Founding Director, Yale Center for Infectious Disease Modeling and Analysis (CIDMA); Burnett and Stender Families Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health
Acknowledging the real, potential side effects, no matter how uncommon, works to assuage fears of greater, unsubstantiated ones IMO.
Also, I don't believe tinnitus should be trivialized. Depending upon severity it can be quite unpleasant. I have mild tinnitus from hearing loss.
I know people who have tinnitus, and I was certainly not trivializing it. However, compared to people who died or who were in the hospital with all sorts of life-saving strategies taking place just to keep them breathing...no comparison.
Sure, it's called played hiding in plain sight. You are fed info enough to feel comforted that "they" are aware of the possibility that the viral engineering (and vaccine related) industry poses a truly catastrophic threat to all of us , and therefore are logically looking at ways to contain this threat .... but you aren't fed enough info to ask yourself, "why the heck are secretive commercial/profit driven entities making viruses to be more dangerous, not considered more dangerous than covid?"
This is what useful idiot means.
That is quite obvious - you have been skillfully manipulated into thinking covid is the real threat, rather than a secretive profit (and ego) driven industry that engineers viruses...... and has possibly just killed millions without any consequence.
Has the origin of the virus been conclusively established as from being a wild source?
Is it possible that the virus escaped from a lab, either in it's natural form, or altered? - if so, does this mean millions have been killed needlessly?
Is gain GoF research paid for by companies related to vaccine development?
Has the origin of the virus been conclusively established as from being a wild source?
Is it possible that the virus escaped from a lab, either in it's natural form, or altered? - if so, does this mean millions have been killed needlessly?
Is gain GoF researchi paid for by companies related to vaccine development?
It had to be in the lab in the first place in order for it to escape from the lab. It also not only escape from the lab but it completely escaped leaving no trace of the virus at the lab. They found no evidence of the virus in the lab. That must include a conspiracy. The destruction or transfer of the virus out of the lab in addition to it escaping the lab.
EchoHealth went to the NIH for funding because it ddn't have any money to do the research. There is no evidence that Pfizer paid them money to do the research. There is no reason China would pay them to do the research.
Big Industry - No Trust "To sustain the funding base beyond the crisis, we need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan corona virus vaccine. A key driver is the Media, and the economics follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage and get to the real issue. Investors will respond at the end of the process if they see the profit." Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance, February 2016 issue National Academy of Sciences.
They have product to sell to the same Government they bought off in 1986 to grant themselves blanket immunity from their products.
Summary:
1 The Source of SARS-2
2 Denial of Early Treatments for Covid
3 The Voices of Dissenting Health Professionals
4 The Record Number of Serious Post-Vaccine Side Effects and Deaths
5 Natural Immunity Stronger than Vaccinated Immunity
6 Worrying Evidence of pathogenic Priming/ADE
7 The Central Role of Co-Morbidities in Serious Covid Disease
This is the same industry that engages in the following:
excerpt from Jonah Lehrer, When We See What We Want, Wall Street Journal June 25, 2011
"This problem has been most convincingly demonstrated in medical clinical trials. A 2005 study of psychiatric drug trials found that when academic researchers were funded by a drug company, they were nearly five times as likely to report that the treatment was effective. (A similar pattern was found with oncology drugs.) What makes this pattern so disturbing is that all of these studies were randomized, double-blind trials, which are typically regarded as the gold standard of medical evidence. And yet the financial incentives seemed to decisively influence the data.
Sometimes, even small amounts of money can have big consequences, shaping our views of the evidence. A 1994 study of physicians who requested that drugs be added to the list of approved hospital medications showed that they were far more likely to have accepted free meals or travel funds from drug makers. Other studies have found that the rate of drug prescriptions spikes after doctors meet with a pharmaceutical sales representative, especially when the representatives are bearing gifts."
Big Industry - No Trust "To sustain the funding base beyond the crisis, we need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan corona virus vaccine. A key driver is the Media, and the economics follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage and get to the real issue. Investors will respond at the end of the process if they see the profit." Peter Daszak, EcoHealth Alliance, February 2016 issue National Academy of Sciences.
Virology labs are set up in regions where the virus is known to reside and in this case it is caves where bats contain the virus. if one is going to create a virus one doesn't need to be close to caves. EcoHealth is based in either South Carolina or North Carolina. It escapes me right now. No need to go to China to make a virus.
The regional labs are there to gather and study viruses and pathogenic potential. If one is going to make a pan coronavirus vaccine then one needs to collect as many viruses as possible to be able to call it a pan vaccine. One wants to make sure the vaccine is effective against all known pathogenic versions of the virus known at the time and allowing for genetic drift.
Government has a public health interest and government is not involved with direct private business. It does promote private American business and each government does the same. That reminds me of one reason why the French did not do HIV testing after the Americans came up with a blood test because the French wanted their own test.
Communist countries like in China are run differently, again ask Jack Ma and others. The CCP has direct oversight when it wants to step in. They can run the business and put money into the business in any government business venture.
The US government relies on private companies to come up with vaccines. Investors are needed for that. In this case because of the national threat the US government funded a rapid vaccine program. This was an emergency tract that isn't typical for most vaccines.
I see nothing at all aberrant in the comments made by Daszak. That is the way things are done normally.
2. Possible, but no definitive evidence that it was. Lab escapes have happened in the past but did not result in large epidemics, including escape of the original SARS, with two lab workers infected.
3. Labs are not creating novel viruses in order to drive development of vaccines. That is a conspiracy theory with absolutely no basis in fact.
I suspect vaccine development would be very interested in the results of transmission etc of engineered viruses, and it would be naive to think that the two fields are completely unrelated.
The bottom line is that there is a possibility that the viral research industry (and related vaccine development) have screwed up big time, and killed millions - my point is that the media has stepped back from what should be it's usual role of asking the tough questions, and instead has become part of a coordinated approach to minimise public disquiet, and ultimately concealment over a longer period.
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Originally Posted by Medical Lab Guy
It had to be in the lab in the first place in order for it to escape from the lab. It also not only escape from the lab but it completely escaped leaving no trace of the virus at the lab. They found no evidence of the virus in the lab. That must include a conspiracy. The destruction or transfer of the virus out of the lab in addition to it escaping the lab.
EchoHealth went to the NIH for funding because it ddn't have any money to do the research. There is no evidence that Pfizer paid them money to do the research. There is no reason China would pay them to do the research.
I think you are misusing the word conspiracy, as it relates to the accepted notion of conspiracy theory/ists - that Chinese authorities wouldn't allow foreign investigators to the site for quite a long time after the outbreak, isn't some half baked speculative rumour.
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