"Anti-Sunbelt" Sunbelt cities? (gated, to live, linear)

[TarHeelNick]

Originally Posted by Mutiny77

Urbanity is largely correlated with walkability, which itself is highly correlated with the era in which a place experienced much of its growth and development. A city can have all of the things you just described and still be overwhelmingly pedestrian-unfriendly, which tends to be the case for places that largely developed in postwar America when automobiles became the dominant mode of transportation.

Still pretty subjective...

[grega94]

Originally Posted by TarHeelNick

Still pretty subjective...

There are ways of measuring it objectively such as walk score.

Methodology: Walk Score measures the walkability of any address using a patented system. For each address, Walk Score analyzes hundreds of walking routes to nearby amenities. Points are awarded based on the distance to amenities in each category. Amenities within a 5 minute walk (.25 miles) are given maximum points. A decay function is used to give points to more distant amenities, with no points given after a 30 minute walk.

Walk Score also measures pedestrian friendliness by analyzing population density and road metrics such as block length and intersection density. Data sources include Google, Factual, Great Schools, Open Street Map, the U.S. Census, Localeze, and places added by the Walk Score user community.

Source: https://www.walkscore.com/methodology.shtml

City: Walk Score | Transit Score | Bike Score
— Very Walkable: Most errands can be accomplished on foot. —
San Francisco: 88.7 | 77.1 | 72.3
Miami: 76.6 | 57.0 | 64.0
Oakland: 75.3 | 56.6 | 65.5
Long Beach: 73.3 | 48.9 | 70.1
— Somewhat Walkable: Some errands can be accomplished on foot. —
Los Angeles: 68.6 | 52.9 | 58.7
Santa Ana: 67.1 | 43.3 | 62.2
Honolulu: 65.7 | 56.3 | 51.0
New Orleans: 58.0 | 43.9 | 65.7
Anaheim: 55.7 | 33.9 | 52.3
San Diego: 53.3 | 37.3 | 43.0
San Jose: 50.5 | 40.1 | 61.5
— Car-Dependent: Most errands require a car. —
Tampa: 49.5 | 31.3 | 55.2
Sacramento: 49.0 | 33.9 | 66.9
Atlanta: 47.7 | 43.7 | 41.7
Houston: 47.5| 36.2 | 48.6
Fresno: 46.6 | 33.1 | 58.1
Dallas: 46.0 | 38.9 | 49.3
San Bernardino: 45.0 | 30.9 | 43.6
Stockton: 43.7 | 25.4 | 52.4
Tucson: 43.2 | 34.5 | 66.3
Riverside: 42.7 | 29.9 | 48.9
Albuquerque: 42.6 | 28.6 | 60.9
Las Vegas: 42.0 | 35.5 | 46.5
Austin: 41.7 | 34.8 | 54.0
Phoenix: 41.4 | 35.6 | 55.9
El Paso: 40.4 | 28.0 | 42.0
Corpus Christi: 40.3 | 26.6 | 42.1
Tulsa: 39.0 | 22.7 | 47.2
Mesa: 37.9 | 27.0 | 59.6
Bakersfield: 37.3 | 24.6 | 43.7
San Antonio: 36.9 | 30.9 | 44.5
Memphis: 35.0 | 22.2 | 41.2
Fort Worth: 34.9 | 21.6 | 38.6
Oklahoma City: 34.1 | 16.9 | 40.2
Birmingham: 33.2 | 21.5 | 30.7
Raleigh: 31.3 | 29.4 | 39.3
Greensboro: 29.4 | -- | 32.2
Nashville: 28.8 | 21.7 | 29.7
Charlotte: 26.4 | 27.4 | 31.3
Montgomery: 25.8 | 16.4 | 32.9
Jacksonville: 25.6 | 20.8 | 40.5

Source: https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

[TarHeelNick]

Originally Posted by grega94

There are ways of measuring it objectively such as walk score.

Methodology: Walk Score measures the walkability of any address using a patented system. For each address, Walk Score analyzes hundreds of walking routes to nearby amenities. Points are awarded based on the distance to amenities in each category. Amenities within a 5 minute walk (.25 miles) are given maximum points. A decay function is used to give points to more distant amenities, with no points given after a 30 minute walk.

Walk Score also measures pedestrian friendliness by analyzing population density and road metrics such as block length and intersection density. Data sources include Google, Factual, Great Schools, Open Street Map, the U.S. Census, Localeze, and places added by the Walk Score user community.

Source: https://www.walkscore.com/methodology.shtml

City: Walk Score | Transit Score | Bike Score
— Very Walkable: Most errands can be accomplished on foot. —
San Francisco: 88.7 | 77.1 | 72.3
Miami: 76.6 | 57.0 | 64.0
Oakland: 75.3 | 56.6 | 65.5
Long Beach: 73.3 | 48.9 | 70.1
— Somewhat Walkable: Some errands can be accomplished on foot. —
Los Angeles: 68.6 | 52.9 | 58.7
Santa Ana: 67.1 | 43.3 | 62.2
Honolulu: 65.7 | 56.3 | 51.0
New Orleans: 58.0 | 43.9 | 65.7
Anaheim: 55.7 | 33.9 | 52.3
San Diego: 53.3 | 37.3 | 43.0
San Jose: 50.5 | 40.1 | 61.5
— Car-Dependent: Most errands require a car. —
Tampa: 49.5 | 31.3 | 55.2
Sacramento: 49.0 | 33.9 | 66.9
Atlanta: 47.7 | 43.7 | 41.7
Houston: 47.5| 36.2 | 48.6
Fresno: 46.6 | 33.1 | 58.1
Dallas: 46.0 | 38.9 | 49.3
San Bernardino: 45.0 | 30.9 | 43.6
Stockton: 43.7 | 25.4 | 52.4
Tucson: 43.2 | 34.5 | 66.3
Riverside: 42.7 | 29.9 | 48.9
Albuquerque: 42.6 | 28.6 | 60.9
Las Vegas: 42.0 | 35.5 | 46.5
Austin: 41.7 | 34.8 | 54.0
Phoenix: 41.4 | 35.6 | 55.9
El Paso: 40.4 | 28.0 | 42.0
Corpus Christi: 40.3 | 26.6 | 42.1
Tulsa: 39.0 | 22.7 | 47.2
Mesa: 37.9 | 27.0 | 59.6
Bakersfield: 37.3 | 24.6 | 43.7
San Antonio: 36.9 | 30.9 | 44.5
Memphis: 35.0 | 22.2 | 41.2
Fort Worth: 34.9 | 21.6 | 38.6
Oklahoma City: 34.1 | 16.9 | 40.2
Birmingham: 33.2 | 21.5 | 30.7
Raleigh: 31.3 | 29.4 | 39.3
Greensboro: 29.4 | -- | 32.2
Nashville: 28.8 | 21.7 | 29.7
Charlotte: 26.4 | 27.4 | 31.3
Montgomery: 25.8 | 16.4 | 32.9
Jacksonville: 25.6 | 20.8 | 40.5

Source: https://www.walkscore.com/cities-and-neighborhoods/

So even using this somewhat more objective metric...

Miami appears to score quite well and in the "Very Walkable" category...

Thus the comment to which i was originally responding:

Originally Posted by Kaszilla

Miami is a city that proves that density doesn't equal urbanity.

Still seems very silly....and thus begs the question to said poster...

What does "urbanity" even mean?

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by TarHeelNick

So even using this somewhat more objective metric...

Miami appears to score quite well and in the "Very Walkable" category...

Thus the comment to which i was originally responding:



Still seems very silly....and thus begs the question to said poster...

What does "urbanity" even mean?

It's a term that describes the interaction between humans and the built environment, particularly in the context of city design.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

New Orleans
Galveston
Miami/Miami Beach

[Spade]

How is Miami not sunbelt? Miami is the epitome of sunbelt. It’s dense but it isn’t anything but sunbelt.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by Spade

How is Miami not sunbelt? Miami is the epitome of sunbelt. It’s dense but it isn’t anything but sunbelt.

Metro Miami? Sure. City of Miami (and especially Miami Beach)? Nah

[Kaszilla]

Originally Posted by TarHeelNick

So even using this somewhat more objective metric...

Miami appears to score quite well and in the "Very Walkable" category...

Thus the comment to which i was originally responding:



Still seems very silly....and thus begs the question to said poster...

What does "urbanity" even mean?

Miami has a higher walkscore than Philadelphia which is laughable. Miami is nowhere near as urban or walkable as Philly.

[iMarvin]

Originally Posted by Kaszilla

Miami has a higher walkscore than Philadelphia which is laughable. Miami is nowhere near as urban or walkable as Philly.

Walkscore only considers city limits so it's not surprising that Philadelphia (which has a lot of suburban development in the north) has a lower score than Miami (small lots on a grid throughout the entire city). It's also only like a 2 point difference... but Miami is a lot more walkable than people give it credit it for.

Someone could definitely live in Little Havana, Coral Way, or even Flagami without a car and be fine, though to be fair it wouldn't be the smoothest experience.

[ParaguaneroSwag]

Originally Posted by iMarvin

Walkscore only considers city limits so it's not surprising that Philadelphia (which has a lot of suburban development in the north) has a lower score than Miami (small lots on a grid throughout the entire city). It's also only like a 2 point difference... but Miami is a lot more walkable than people give it credit it for.

Someone could definitely live in Little Havana, Coral Way, or even Flagami without a car and be fine, though to be fair it wouldn't be the smoothest experience.

Definitely easier to live in Miami without a car than just about anywhere else in the South.