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Yes and no. The heavy Hispanic element adds a different flavor to it. It's not seen like that in the rest of the South outside of Houston and Florida. Even East Texas doesn't have that flavor to it....yet.
Hispanics are an outlier I'll agree but the state is full of Southern Baptists, speaks with a Southern accents, and politically acts like a Southern state.
The Democratic party controlled the south until Nixon, a staunch intregrationist praised by MLK, even though most of the 'Deep South" voted for the Democrat / Dixiecrat Georgie Wallace. FDR, Lyndon Johnson, etc supported the same economic, tax policies that Obama does.
So if there is a political aspect to the Deep South category of states, it has changed from liberal Democrat to conservative Republican since the expression was originally coined. Generally all the predominant agriculture and depressed areas in the southern states even today are majority Democrat.
It was actually until fairly recently that NC's state congress obtained a Republican majority, yet they are not lumped in with the 'Deep South'.
Hispanics are an outlier I'll agree but the state is full of Southern Baptists, speaks with a Southern accents, and politically acts like a Southern state.
Yes but we're talking about Dallas, not the entire state. Dallas has a very large Catholic population that is not seen and most of the South. Politically, it is pretty democratic and not as republican as you will find in say the rest of the South as well. Won't disagree with the accents but its twangy and not as thick as you would get in say Monroe or even Memphis. Not saying it's not a Southern city. But it definitely is not the Deep South. There are influences from other regions as well.
Yes but we're talking about Dallas, not the entire state. Dallas has a very large Catholic population that is not seen and most of the South. Politically, it is pretty democratic and not as republican as you will find in say the rest of the South as well. Won't disagree with the accents but its twangy and not as thick as you would get in say Monroe or even Memphis. Not saying it's not a Southern city. But it definitely is not the Deep South. There are influences from other regions as well.
I agree it's not the Deep South. Houston isn't the Deep South either. I don't consider Texas to be a Deep South state. I lump Texas and Oklahoma together as the "Western South."
I don't think in the modern era, the culture of SC is much different from AL, MS, etc. I lived in AL for 2 years, and I didn't see a difference. I didn't see a difference living in MD or NJ either.
You mean to tell us that MD and NJ have the same culture as the Deep South? Because that's VERY inaccurate.
I more or less agree with this map of the Deep South...only, I would stop the Deep South a little west of Harris County in Texas..and I wouldn't take it so far up in Tennessee and I consider all of Louisiana the Deep South...and I would bring it up just a little in Florida.
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You mean to tell us that MD and NJ have the same culture as the Deep South? Because that's VERY inaccurate.
I think this is boiling down to a difference in perspective.
On the large scale, let's say global, the USA is fairly uniform from end to end in terms of culture. People live the same, they shop the same, they watch the same TV, they eat a lot of the same food, etc. The differences from north to south are tiny and subtle when looking at it from that point of view.
I think SimpsonV may be approaching the subject from there.
The differences between Michigan, Montana and Tennessee become far more apparent when you start looking at the US in an isolated perspective. Within our own sphere those differences are larger and have a heavier impact; this is quite possibly where you are coming from.
To put it simpler:
When comparing New York directly to Georgia, the differences are pretty huge.
When comparing NY and GA to Oman or Yemen, suddenly NY and GA seem a lot more similar.
I think the case for Birmingham is, culturally it's "Deep South," but geographically it's "Upper South," similar to Atlanta as well. I think for them both, it's like a combination between the two.
I feel like the only argument for them here is the fact that they have a very large Black population, but they're missing a slew of other characteristics that are agreeably traits of the true Deep South.
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