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King of Kensington, you're so hard-nosed about Italian-Americans. It's such a one dimensional argument. And in any case, you are turning this into a Maryland being Northeastern thread...quit hijacking my thread and go and start your own. This is really off-topic.
You're the one who brought up demographics defining what is and isn't Northeastern. No non-Northern metro area has a Black population that exceeds 25% BTW. Please explain what you mean by "Northeastern" demographics.
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You're the one who brought up demographics defining what is and isn't Northeastern. No non-Northern metro area has a Black population that exceeds 25% BTW. Please explain what you mean by "Northeastern" demographics.
You're the one who injected Maryland into this conversation. Majority German ancestry per county, for one thing. German is the dominant ancestry per county in Maryland. This is consistent with the Northern states. The Southern states claim "American" as their dominant ancestry. As far as linguistics go, according to a widely accepted linguistic study done by the University of Pennsylvania places most of Maryland in the Northeast. If that doesn't satisfy your royal highness, I guess nothing will. Have a good one. I'm not interested in continuing this conversation any further.
Italian Americans make up a much larger percentage of the population in "midwestern" (sic.) Rochester, Buffalo and Syracuse than they do in "northeastern" (sic.) Baltimore.
Those Upstate NY cities aren't Midwestern. I like the term Interior Northeast. Except for some using Pop instead of Soda in parts of Western NY and maybe things here and there, all are Northeastern. Maybe not Bos-Wash Northeastern, but Northeastern nonetheless.
Also, Southern metros like Charlotte, Raleigh, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Greensboro, Nashville, Little Rock, Austin, San Antonio, Greenville SC and Huntsville AL aren't over 25% in metro population either. Philadelphia at 21% is only 5% less than metro DC and 8% less than metro Baltimore. Cleveland and Detroit are at or above 20% in their metros as well.
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Those Upstate NY cities aren't Midwestern. I like the term Interior Northeast. Except for some using Pop instead of Soda in parts of Western NY and maybe things here and there, all are Northeastern. Maybe not Bos-Wash Northeastern, but Northeastern nonetheless.
BosWash is a narrow heavily urbanized strip, not the Northeast region. Buffalo feels a touch "midwestern", no surprise there. Even Rochester 60 miles east doesn't feel midwestern.
Indeed. Why wouldn't it? These are hardly iron clad boundaries.
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Also, Southern metros like Charlotte, Raleigh, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Greensboro, Nashville, Little Rock, Austin, San Antonio, Greenville SC and Huntsville AL aren't over 25% in metro population either. Philadelphia at 21% is only 5% less than metro DC and 8% less than metro Baltimore. Cleveland and Detroit are at or above 20% in their metros as well.
I didn't say that ALL southern metros were 25% or more Black, I said there were no metros outside the South that reached that proportion. Also the *state* of Maryland is 30% Black, no non-Southern state comes even close.
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BosWash is a narrow heavily urbanized strip, not the Northeast region. Buffalo feels a touch "midwestern", no surprise there. Even Rochester 60 miles east doesn't feel midwestern.
Indeed. Why wouldn't it? These are hardly iron clad boundaries.
I didn't say that ALL southern metros were 25% or more Black, I said there were no metros outside the South that reached that proportion. Also the *state* of Maryland is 30% Black, no non-Southern state comes even close.
BosWash defines the Northeast region, all the way from Boston to DC. That is a fact. I can tell you think Maryland, Baltimore, and D.C. are southern...making you delusional. And don't tell me I hijacked my own thread....this isn't about the Bos-Wash corridor. Either stick to the topic, or get off my thread.
Of course it's "about the Bos-Wash corridor" - you're using it deem Buffalo and Pittsburgh "midwestern." You're just bitter that a majority of people who voted in your poll voted "Northeastern."
BosWash is a narrow heavily urbanized strip, not the Northeast region. Buffalo feels a touch "midwestern", no surprise there. Even Rochester 60 miles east doesn't feel midwestern.
Indeed. Why wouldn't it? These are hardly iron clad boundaries.
I didn't say that ALL southern metros were 25% or more Black, I said there were no metros outside the South that reached that proportion. Also the *state* of Maryland is 30% Black, no non-Southern state comes even close.
I know this. I was just pointing out that major metros above 25% are rare or aren't as common as people think they are, including in the South. Many of the metros in the South that aren't are in the 15-24% range. Metros like Chicago, NYC, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Philadelphia, Columbus OH, Indianapolis, Detroit and Dayton OH are within that range as well. Rural areas in the South are the difference when comparing in that regard.
I know about MD's Black percentage, but I wouldn't discount a state that has more Black people than any other state either. Maryland is unique in that it was a state with Southern characteristics in terms of slavery, but also had a lot of Northern migration from other Southern states as well. Outside of the South, NY State is very unique in that not only did it have Northern migration from the South, but it also had a lot of immigration from the Caribbean and later Africa, as well as having a history of slavery to the point it had more slaves than GA at one time. it is no surprise that it does have the highest percentage outside of the South as well. There are other Northeastern states that also had that institution, as well as similar migration and immigration patterns. So, it may just be a matter of volume/percentage and not necessarily history. I'm not trying to argue, but just trying to show that certain things may be more available in other parts of the country than they realize.
With all of this said, all of the cities in question are still Northeastern.
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Of course it's "about the Bos-Wash corridor" - you're using it deem Buffalo and Pittsburgh "midwestern." You're just bitter that a majority of people who voted in your poll voted "Northeastern."
I never said it was all of the Northeast. What I meant was that the Bos-Wash makes up the Northeast. I am not in any way contesting what is in this poll. I simply thought Buffalo and Pittsburgh were more Midwestern because they simply had more in common with the eastern Midwest than with the Bos-Wash. And that in itself calls their Northeasterness into question. Clearly the poll shows otherwise though. You are out to pick a fight, and I'm not interested in accepting your offer.
This isn't the first time I've seen people asking which region of the country Pittsburgh and Buffalo are in. In fact, the question is a dead horse that continues to be beaten despite the fact that every single one of these polls has answered by a comfortable margin that the cities are Northeastern.
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