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The implication I'm getting from these threads is that a locale isn't desireable unless it's "liberal". Is having some social moderativity or conservatism within a locale really that bad?
It depends on how you look at it. My husband and I are wanting to move to a more liberal area because those cities reflect more of the values that we want for us and our kids. Likewise, our area (Hampton Roads in VA) largely reflects convervative values, thus a lot of conservative people move here to take advantage of the amenities offered to them (various clubs, churches, agenices and organizations). The bottom line is that liberal cities offer the amenities we are looking for. In our town, the NOW chapter is defunct and there is not one liberal talk radio show. To give one more example, I did an online research of the clubs offered at a Chesapeake, VA highschool vs. clubs offered at a Massachusettes highschool. They couldn't be more different. Chesapeake offers Future Homemakers of America (no kidding), and Bible Study (in a public highschool???). The highschool in MA offers Amnesty International, an Activist group, Gay and Lesbian alliance group, and an Environmental group. Those clubs definitely reflect my family's values, so we're attracted to living in a town that supports them.
It's all about personal preference and opinions. Someone with a certain political view will most likely feel comfortable in an area where majority of the people share the same views.
It's all about personal preference and opinions. Someone with a certain political view will most likely feel comfortable in an area where majority of the people share the same views.
I definitely have to agree with that.
As a liberal, I couldn't see myself settling in the middle of Dallas, Texas for example.
It all depends on what will make your quality of life better.
As a liberal, I couldn't see myself settling in the middle of Dallas, Texas for example.
It all depends on what will make your quality of life better.
Did you know that Bush won Dallas County only by 50.1 percent of the vote? Most all cities, irrespective of region, vote heavily Democratic. Now, if you were to take the counties that surrounded Dallas County, they'd be more conservative. The city itself, however, is not.
The implication I'm getting from these threads is that a locale isn't desireable unless it's "liberal". Is having some social moderativity or conservatism within a locale really that bad?
I am the exact opposite. I will try to never again live in another liberal city. One quality I looked for in a city is a conservative government and conservative governor.
Having lived in Philly for the last five years, I am sick of being taxed to death. And that is how liberal governments do, they pass taxes on everything. They come up with nifty catch phrases, "it's for the children", you like children don't you, then you're taxed some more.
Philly has a wage tax that comes out of your paycheck and a city income tax. I pay more in city income tax then state. I pay tax for my electrical consumption, a transportation fee for it, a storage fee, and a distribution fee for it; if I use $10 in electricity, its cost me about thirty dollars. A $20 car rental costs me $45 b/c of taxes. In philly, businesses have to pay a bribe to the city government, it is literally called the Business Privelage Tax, this above all the other taxes businesses have to pay.
San Francisco taxes your grocery bags. If grocery bags are so bad for the environment, ban them all together. That grocery bag tax isnt earmarked for anything environmental, it doesnt fool me, it goes straight into the general treasury were it is spent on whoever's do-gooder cause for the day or for roads, schools, etc. Chicago is trying to put a $.25 tax on bottled water. The Democrat congress just tried to hike our already high gasoline prices with a $.35 tax increase. Canada tried to pass an iPod tax, an 80gb iPod would have had an additional $75 tax added, on top of the sales tax. New Hampshire has a scenery tax, a "vista" tax per say. Stop taxing me.
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I obviously equate liberalism with taxation and the redistribution of income. Which by the way, would it surprise you that the founder of Amnesty International, Peter Benenson, was a communist. Personally, I don't like living amongst socialists. As Roger Waters said, "keep your hands off my stack."
Libs are the first people to deny God and the first to tell me the CIA was part of the 911 tragedy, that humans are the main cause for global warming (remember there was an ice age, we warmed up from that without any human involvment) and that other repressed societies are not our problem.
So no, not everyone believes a liberal locale is desireable. Conservatism is good and teaches certain values, like close your legs welfare mom. Like SEAandaTL said, it's all personal preference.
But yes, there are some who read these boards who do not believe moderate or conservative is bad. That is what sealed my decision to move to San Diego, a small red bastion in a sea of blue. And to break any stereotypes, this comes from a man with tatoos and a ponytail.
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Did you know that Bush won Dallas County only by 50.1 percent of the vote? Most all cities, irrespective of region, vote heavily Democratic. Now, if you were to take the counties that surrounded Dallas County, they'd be more conservative. The city itself, however, is not.
Yes, that's shocking considering we're talking about Dallas. Still Bush has a tight grip on Texas (as a whole) the suburbs are almost 100% Republican/Conservatives. Governor Perry is a hardcore Republican. I don't know how Austin is surviving within the Texas landscape being 100% Liberal. Texas has very friendly people and to a degree I think its reputation for being pro-war, bible belt, conservative values, strict laws, pro-capital punishment etc.. scares many away.
I am the exact opposite. I will try to never again live in another liberal city. One quality I looked for in a city is a conservative government and conservative governor.
Having lived in Philly for the last five years, I am sick of being taxed to death. And that is how liberal governments do, they pass taxes on everything. They come up with nifty catch phrases, "it's for the children", you like children don't you, then you're taxed some more.
Philly has a wage tax that comes out of your paycheck and a city income tax. I pay more in city income tax then state. I pay tax for my electrical consumption, a transportation fee for it, a storage fee, and a distribution fee for it; if I use $10 in electricity, its cost me about thirty dollars. A $20 car rental costs me $45 b/c of taxes. In philly, businesses have to pay a bribe to the city government, it is literally called the Business Privelage Tax, this above all the other taxes businesses have to pay.
San Francisco taxes your grocery bags. If grocery bags are so bad for the environment, ban them all together. That grocery bag tax isnt earmarked for anything environmental, it doesnt fool me, it goes straight into the general treasury were it is spent on whoever's do-gooder cause for the day or for roads, schools, etc. Chicago is trying to put a $.25 tax on bottled water. The Democrat congress just tried to hike our already high gasoline prices with a $.35 tax increase. Canada tried to pass an iPod tax, an 80gb iPod would have had an additional $75 tax added, on top of the sales tax. New Hampshire has a scenery tax, a "vista" tax per say. Stop taxing me.
/end rant
I obviously equate liberalism with taxation and the redistribution of income. Which by the way, would it surprise you that the founder of Amnesty International, Peter Benenson, was a communist. Personally, I don't like living amongst socialists. As Roger Waters said, "keep your hands off my stack."
Libs are the first people to deny God and the first to tell me the CIA was part of the 911 tragedy, that humans are the main cause for global warming (remember there was an ice age, we warmed up from that without any human involvment) and that other repressed societies are not our problem.
So no, not everyone believes a liberal locale is desireable. Conservatism is good and teaches certain values, like close your legs welfare mom. Like SEAandaTL said, it's all personal preference.
But yes, there are some who read these boards who do not believe moderate or conservative is bad. That is what sealed my decision to move to San Diego, a small red bastion in a sea of blue. And to break any stereotypes, this comes from a man with tatoos and a ponytail.
San Diego is NOT all red. You need to pay Taxes so that the money can be redistributed for the benefit of the community. Example: Education, Homelessness, poverty, job training, local park districts. I think that it's a lot healthier to pay for programs that improve quality of life than to use our hard earned tax dollars to fund makeshift wars, kill people so that we can capitalize on business interests abroad, use our young people as guinea pigs/messenger boys and if that doesn't slam home, lie to the public about the whole thing. In regards to Welfare: It's not as simple as generalizing "spreading your legs." People experience major crisis in their lives and the last thing they need is for others to stereotype them and belittle their struggle. I think people are going to live around those that share similar values and that's fine. I would NEVER live in a republican community, conservative or moderate. I identify strictly with the far left and live accordingly. In the end we're all Americans and I respect everyone.
I know there's some liberals in San Diego. That's why I'm moving to Ocean Beach, hehehehe - for healthy debate. But the government of the city has basically been Republic for quit sometime.
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You need to pay Taxes...
You missed my point Super. I am talking about ridicules taxation. I don't mind paying taxes and I do not mind social programs if they serve as temporary vehicles to help the unlucky & downtrodden. But ridicules taxation I am against. $.10 for a grocery bag and $.25 tax on bottled water is ridicules and a money grab.
I worked in the Non-profit community for two years and do my fair share of volunteering; check that out Republicans do volunteer. I speak with experience. The huge majority of cradle-to-grave, inner-city welfare recipients have babies - that's plural - babies that they cannot afford. It should be illegal and resultant babies given up for adoption or we should chemically infertilitize them until they can afford a child. Here's your state assistance and a shot of birth control, women and men included. There are so many problems that result from this trend and I simply do not have the empathy to encourage them to continue this and feel entitled to something.
I think it is much more healthy to address the root of the issue than to sugar-coat it with do-gooder legislation that makes everyone feel good about bad decisions.
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I know there's some liberals in San Diego. That's why I'm moving to Ocean Beach, hehehehe - for healthy debate. But the government of the city has basically been Republic for quit sometime.
You missed my point Super. I am talking about ridicules taxation. I don't mind paying taxes and I do not mind social programs if they serve as temporary vehicles to help the unlucky & downtrodden. But ridicules taxation I am against. $.10 for a grocery bag and $.25 tax on bottled water is ridicules and a money grab.
I worked in the Non-profit community for two years and do my fair share of volunteering; check that out Republicans do volunteer. I speak with experience. The huge majority of cradle-to-grave, inner-city welfare recipients have babies - that's plural - babies that they cannot afford. It should be illegal and resultant babies given up for adoption or we should chemically infertilitize them until they can afford a child. Here's your state assistance and a shot of birth control, women and men included. There are so many problems that result from this trend and I simply do not have the empathy to encourage them to continue this and feel entitled to something.
I think it is much more healthy to address the root of the issue than to sugar-coat it with do-gooder legislation that makes everyone feel good about bad decisions.
Interestingly enough, I can't really disagree with much of what you stated. Except, of course, to infertailize people from bearing children. I never been on welfare but know people who have. There is a portion (small) that uses the system to maximize revenues. The REASON that they do this is because they lack the self-esteem, skills, courage and determination to seek work. Not only that, but most of these people lack support systems, supportive families and have no one to care for the children they already do have. I'm all for welfare but I think the system was structured to fail, it wasn't planned out well. I know a person who's a former "Attorney" who had a nervous breakdown, didn't qualify for disability and humbly took welfare to survive during the intrem. Yes, there are a few bad apples but most are not. I don't see any point in taxing for a bottle of water or grocery bags either. I think the problem surrounds credibility with our politicians. We need to make clear how much money we need, what it will be used for and have people contribute to a better society while being sensitive to people's civil and constitutional rights. I don't like sugar coating problems either. I would much prefer to put it on the table and discuss the matter rationally.
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conservative or liberal or a mix?
But the government of the city has basically been Republic for quit sometime. 