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Calesthenics actually builds up and protects your joints. Weight training can do the same thing, but I wonder if consistant heavy weight lifting puts too much stress on your body.
LOOKS LIKE A QUESTION TO ME.
So YOU DON'T KNOW!
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Also, romanguy... I'm pretty sure "supplements" have advanced since the days of powerbars..might as well be comparing your rotary dial phones with smart phones
I called this thread right away; the OP has a some sort of personal issue with people who lift weights.
Has nothing to do with weights, has something to do with a person being stronger than the OP, as the OP constantly puts "ego" into their replies, must be a self esteem issue as the OP sums up that all lifters have ego problems, that is why they lift, thus the OP now feel better as to why they do not lift.
If harping on people who lift weights helps you feel better about your self, go ahead, please do, but what you are doing here is posting incorrect information.
Del Boy you seem to be bashing weightlifting vs calisthenics but are not providing any factual evidence. Where's the facts? Have you actually tried weightlifting? Have you actually lifted 400 lbs in any lift? If so which?
I haven't weightlifted that much but I still have had injuries. Golfers elbow came from bad form. A knee injury climbing stairs. Separated shoulder from trying to climb something I shouldn't have. Those injuries have had nothing to do with weights. The rehab for each of those included weights.
I'm not really for or against either form, weights or bodyweight. Whatever works. But your posts have the tone of "Don't lift weights! You'll break something!" Truth is live long enuff something is going to give anyway.
I called this thread right away; the OP has a some sort of personal issue with people who lift weights.
Has nothing to do with weights, has something to do with a person being stronger than the OP, as the OP constantly puts "ego" into their replies, must be a self esteem issue as the OP sums up that all lifters have ego problems, that is why they lift, thus the OP now feel better as to why they do not lift.
If harping on people who lift weights helps you feel better about your self, go ahead, please do, but what you are doing here is posting incorrect information.
That's not true. It's actually the opposite.
At one point, I could lift over 1000lbs with my three big lifts and was PFP one of the stongest people I knew.
It's just that it was ultimately ego that made me lift as much as I did. That's not to say I lifted more than I could reasonably lift, as I built up to those lifts gradually, but I do wonder if there are any long term ramifications assocaited with lifting heavy for roughly a decade and change.
I believe that advanced calesthenics are better for people in the long run and can make you incredibly strong without the use of an external force. Your body is lifted the way it was made to lift as it naturally aligns itself. It's good for the joints, as opposed to hard on them like excessive weights are.
I am sharing my experience because I'm hoping that people will look into heavyweight lifting and at least be cognicent that there can be some serious long term repercussions.
Obviously you didn't look at my factual links studying ELITE internationally ranked Olympic weightlifters and bone density...
Bones and joints are not the same thing.
Hips and knees are often replaced due to joint problems, not bone problems. Though osteoporosis can lead to fractures, those injuries are usually repaired without replacing the entire joint.
Del Boy you seem to be bashing weightlifting vs calisthenics but are not providing any factual evidence. Where's the facts? Have you actually tried weightlifting? Have you actually lifted 400 lbs in any lift? If so which?
I haven't weightlifted that much but I still have had injuries. Golfers elbow came from bad form. A knee injury climbing stairs. Separated shoulder from trying to climb something I shouldn't have. Those injuries have had nothing to do with weights. The rehab for each of those included weights.
I'm not really for or against either form, weights or bodyweight. Whatever works. But your posts have the tone of "Don't lift weights! You'll break something!" Truth is live long enuff something is going to give anyway.
Would like to rep you, Loco, but have to spread the rep. You make some excellent points here.
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Originally Posted by Del Boy
Calesthenics are more natural. You lift in a way your body was designed to lift. Nothing external is included.
Calesthenics actually builds up and protects your joints. Weight training can do the same thing, but I wonder if consistant heavy weight lifting puts too much stress on your body.
I don't believe our joints were designed to lift up 400+ lbs consistantly for example.
Calisthenics can be a useful part of a fitness program. One reason is that some calisthenic exercises involve coordinated whole-body motions that develop the bodies ability to move naturally. I don't question the benefit of calisthenics. What I disagree with is the notion that lifting weights is always bad for you.
I also question the idea that there is always a difference in the motions involved in calisthenic or weight-lifting exercises. Take pull-ups versus lat pulls for example. You reach above your head, grab a bar, and pull the bar against resistance. I don't see that the motion is any different whether you're pulling yourself up to the bar or pulling a bar attached to weights down to you.
Interesting that you talk about what is natural. I've long thought that what our bodies are made to do is move the way we move when we perform physical labor. I'm not talking about any one activity, like digging in the garden or shoveling snow, but about the whole great variety of movements people make when they do physical labor for a living. If you think of farm work or some other form of labor done for one's livelihood as the model for how to exercise the human body, then it's probably best to perform a variety of movements at varying levels of intensity.
That includes heavy lifting. There are plenty of times you'll lift heavy objects (hay bales, machinery, heavy logs, milk canisters) if you live off of the land. Moving your own body is not the only motion you engage in if you live naturally. The greatest risk of injuries due to overuse, or wear and tear, is more likely to come from repeating the same few movements workout after workout than simply from lifting heavy.
A smart lifter understands the conditioning benefits of mixing up the workouts from time to time. Avoiding overuse injuries is another good reason to do this, but lifting heavy weights is not by itself a problem. Think about the activities of people who work with their hands, and you'll realize that these include lifting heavy objects. Heavy lifting is not a problem in itself. The problems come from trying for too much weight too soon (before you're in condition for that much weight), and from endless repetitions of a very limited number of motions. Both can be avoided with a well planned workout regimen.
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