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I've noticed on this forum that powerlifters are generally accepted and powerlifting is regarded as a legitamite sport by most people here.
On the other hand, bodybuilding is shunned and seen as a steroid filled freakshow.
But well, if you want the ultimate steroid filled freakshow, you will not find it in bodybuilding. You'll find it in powerlifting.
Powerlifting is extremely unhealthy. Guys bringing their body weight way up and packing on as much muscle and fat as possible for maximum strength. Doing insane lifts that are incredibly dangerous. And at the higher levels, powerlifters often inject well over 2 grams of testosterone per week and swallow D-bol like its candy.
Powerlifting is a sport of pure strength and force, and steroid abuse is rampant.
This dichotomy just struck me as funny. In my opinon, bodybuilding and powerlifting are both rather shady sports that are full of drugs. But most people here see powerlifting as wholesome.
I guess powerlifting has a better reputation because it's a competetive sport in colleges and the olympics etc.?
I question whether or not you even know what powerlifting is, nor do I believe you know any powerlifters.
As far as steriods, well, I am sure there is use, but it's less than you'd expect.
1) Nobody in the USA makes money from powerlifting. The top prize at a national competition might be $1000
2) There are weight classes. Not everyone is a super-heavyweight.
3) Most powerlifters are recreational lifters, usually those who used to play sports, and now just like to lift.
I've lifted with powerlifters all over the country, and while a few may have used a bit here and there, I have neither seen nor heard of people "swallow DBol like it's candy." You state your information as though it were fact. Where does your information come from?
I think powerlifting is more regarded as a sport because it's about performance that can be measured in numbers easily, while bodybuilding is more subjective to the viewer. bodybuilding is about muscledefinition, size, symetry etc, and what people in the sport consider !awesome! is hard to understand for people on the outside. powerlifting on the otherhand has an easy view for the outsider: one guy can bench 800 lbs, the next guy can't; ergo the first guy was better.
As for steroids, people only care when someone get cought.
American football and NFL in particular is probably one of the most steroid-dense sports in the world. it's not a big secret. every once in a while someone is cought and everyone thinks he should be ashamed etc, but nobody wants to develop the testing methods, nobody wants to make mandatory drug-tests of each player in each time once/week. Why? people do not care, the buisness loves that the players are playing better than they should be able to, the crowd loves it and there you go. the more money in a sport, the more incitaments to take something you aren't really allowed to.
about steroid use in general: the stuff is everywhere, it's really not hard for anyone to get them, and those who want to simply has to ask the 5 biggest guys in the gym, and they'll either have a seller or a number to one.
Is powerlifting unhealthy? yeah, so is bodybuilding, and any other sport if you take it too far. I destroyed both knees, an elbow and a shoulder playing football, doesn't mean i regret doing so.
I question whether or not you even know what powerlifting is, nor do I believe you know any powerlifters.
As far as steriods, well, I am sure there is use, but it's less than you'd expect.
1) Nobody in the USA makes money from powerlifting. The top prize at a national competition might be $1000
2) There are weight classes. Not everyone is a super-heavyweight.
3) Most powerlifters are recreational lifters, usually those who used to play sports, and now just like to lift.
I've lifted with powerlifters all over the country, and while a few may have used a bit here and there, I have neither seen nor heard of people "swallow DBol like it's candy." You state your information as though it were fact. Where does your information come from?
My knowledge is first hand information from talking to lots and lots of people over the years. I've met lots of powerlifters, bodybuilders and various other athletes and I am very familiar with the steroid habits of atheletes in most sports.
There are people in every sport who deny the extent of the drug use in their sport. You are doing this with powerlifting.
I'm not sure why you condescending tell me that I don't know what powerlifting is or know any powerlifters. I think you just don't want me to say things to give your sport a bad image.
Of course there are a lot of natural low level powerlifters. But in powerlifting if you want to reach the higher levels you must use steroids to compete with the drug monsters that fill the ranks of powerlifting.
I think powerlifting is more regarded as a sport because it's about performance that can be measured in numbers easily, while bodybuilding is more subjective to the viewer. bodybuilding is about muscledefinition, size, symetry etc, and what people in the sport consider !awesome! is hard to understand for people on the outside. powerlifting on the otherhand has an easy view for the outsider: one guy can bench 800 lbs, the next guy can't; ergo the first guy was better.
As for steroids, people only care when someone get cought.
American football and NFL in particular is probably one of the most steroid-dense sports in the world. it's not a big secret. every once in a while someone is cought and everyone thinks he should be ashamed etc, but nobody wants to develop the testing methods, nobody wants to make mandatory drug-tests of each player in each time once/week. Why? people do not care, the buisness loves that the players are playing better than they should be able to, the crowd loves it and there you go. the more money in a sport, the more incitaments to take something you aren't really allowed to.
about steroid use in general: the stuff is everywhere, it's really not hard for anyone to get them, and those who want to simply has to ask the 5 biggest guys in the gym, and they'll either have a seller or a number to one.
Is powerlifting unhealthy? yeah, so is bodybuilding, and any other sport if you take it too far. I destroyed both knees, an elbow and a shoulder playing football, doesn't mean i regret doing so.
I totally agree with all this.
But I do think powerlifting is a particularly unhealthy lifestyle. The steroids in it are one issue. Besides that there is the fact that they are always bulking and carrying around so much bodyweight, and they are wreaking havok on their joints with their insane lifts.
Generally I think powerlifting is the most unhealthy sport out there. Of course lots of NFL players and pro-bodybuilders are flirting with death too.
My knowledge is first hand information from talking to lots and lots of people over the years. I've met lots of powerlifters, bodybuilders and various other athletes and I am very familiar with the steroid habits of atheletes in most sports.
There are people in every sport who deny the extent of the drug use in their sport. You are doing this with powerlifting.
I'm not sure why you condescending tell me that I don't know what powerlifting is or know any powerlifters. I think you just don't want me to say things to give your sport a bad image.
Of course there are a lot of natural low level powerlifters. But in powerlifting if you want to reach the higher levels you must use steroids to compete with the drug monsters that fill the ranks of powerlifting.
If you knew anything about powerlifting you'd know that it's not in the Olympics.
So you have no evidence to back up your steroid claims? Or even logic? How do you reconcile the fact that the majority of lifters are NOT super-heavies? Do you think people are taking 2g of Test a week to keep up up their staggering 165lbs bodyweight? Why would anyone spend thousands per month on a drug regimen to win a plastic trophy?
You can say anything you want about powerlifting. That doesn't make it true. I would agree it's unhealthy to be competitive. But not because of the so-called rampant steroid usage. I would also say there is drug use/abuse. But it's much less than you proclaim.
Probably one of the most uninformed posts of the year. I guess that I could dissect your post with facts, pictures and video of the two sports, but it would probably only register as conjecture to you. I have been involved with both sports for 25 years, as both a competetor and coach. Both BB and PL are in bed with steroids....so are baseball players, football, hockey, swimming, track, and club rats who want to look good on the dance floor for the girls.
There are sanctioned meets with drug tests for 100% of competitors as well as polygraphs in some cases. You wave a pretty wide brush with your statement of powerlifters, and I have to say grossly uneducated at that.
I hold the LE NY state powerlifting records, drug free, and raw for the 220lb class. I also have competed at the international level with people who were doped outta their heads on roids...and beaten them. You should check out bodybuilding.com and see all the guys who are posting on the correct cycles and PCT for juice vs. powerliftingwatch. It happens in both sports, but slamming one like you did, when you obviously have never been on the platform or stage is laughable.
But I do think powerlifting is a particularly unhealthy lifestyle. The steroids in it are one issue. Besides that there is the fact that they are always bulking and carrying around so much bodyweight, and they are wreaking havok on their joints with their insane lifts.
Generally I think powerlifting is the most unhealthy sport out there. Of course lots of NFL players and pro-bodybuilders are flirting with death too.
Male powerlifters are as light as 114 lbs and can be 350. Not all are bulky, but all are great athletes. I do not believe all bodybuilders are great athletes.
I was playing in a blackjack tournament at a Reno casino some years ago and got into a little argument with the dealer. There was a powerlifting competition there at the time and a superheavy weight was sitting on the stool next to me. He didn't like the disagreement I was having with the dealer, and he said to me, "I will kick your ass." I said to him, "Go ahead. I will own your house." He clearly was on roids.
Probably one of the most uninformed posts of the year. I guess that I could dissect your post with facts, pictures and video of the two sports, but it would probably only register as conjecture to you. I have been involved with both sports for 25 years, as both a competetor and coach. Both BB and PL are in bed with steroids....so are baseball players, football, hockey, swimming, track, and club rats who want to look good on the dance floor for the girls.
There are sanctioned meets with drug tests for 100% of competitors as well as polygraphs in some cases. You wave a pretty wide brush with your statement of powerlifters, and I have to say grossly uneducated at that.
I hold the LE NY state powerlifting records, drug free, and raw for the 220lb class. I also have competed at the international level with people who were doped outta their heads on roids...and beaten them. You should check out bodybuilding.com and see all the guys who are posting on the correct cycles and PCT for juice vs. powerliftingwatch. It happens in both sports, but slamming one like you did, when you obviously have never been on the platform or stage is laughable.
So basically you are simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with me here.
You say that powerlifting and bodybuilding are both in bed with steroids. Yet you somehow have a problem with my post?
As for "natural" powerlifter and bodybuilders. They usually do lots of drugs that slide through the drug tests. They can't use anabolic steroids around testing time, but they often do cycles in the off season when they are not being tested.
And during drug test time they usually cruise on Growth Hormone, Insulin and anything else they won't show up on the test. Not to mention taking most of the crap from GNC.
When some says they are "natural" there is a big grey area there.
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