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Yeah, the Pope as erasure said urged Sweden, the Teutonic Order and the Livonian Order to protect Christian Finland from Pagan and Orthodox Finland and Novgorod.
It was not "protect", it was an aggressive expansion.
Good to know. Here's the German form of "Varangian": Waräger. You say it's from the root "wehr"? Then it has changed form in modern German. Warager = war wager, warrior. This is so enlightening, Ariete.
Erasure, I think the Russian word must be borrowed from the Scandinavians. I don't know of any Slavic root "var" that would be relevant. Well, except for "varvarstvo" (barbarism). Hmm..... but I don't think that's where the Latin "barbarian" comes from, or meant, but....maybe...? Maybe they're all from an ancient common Indo-Euro root relating to war. That must be it.
I am looking at the background of the word "varyag" in Russian - when it appeared and why.
Plot thickens, lol.
The old annals use this word in Old Slavic ALONG with mentioning of Swedes and Norwegians, as some kind of separate entity)))
P.S. No, there are no related words in Russian with the root "var," except for one more crazy connection that I am guessing here, based on what Ariete describes as "Värn = body armour" (That "ä" corresponds to Russian "э" then, and o umlaut if such thing exists most likely corresponds to Russian ё.)
Anyways, here it is - the next connection that I am making with the "body armor" (which in this case turns into metal chains) although the root of the Russian word in this case is more "ver" than "var."
Yes, of course it was. It was about power and conquest, not protection. To call it to protect was only to give everything a legal justification. The crusades to Palestinia were also to "protect".
About annhilation, there weren't any at least in Finland. There are no records of Swedes or Danes or even legends suggesting that there were any massacres. In Ingria, Karelia and in Novgorod there might been have. We just don't know.
My question, preferably to Russians to answer: what do Russians think about smaller Slavic countries who hold the pro-west/pro-us lines belonging into NATO and EU and whose governments are opposing to Russia´s line? Is such position seen by general public in Russia as sort of, let´s say betrayal? Or perhaps the linguistic connections make no that big sense?
My question, preferably to Russians to answer: what do Russians think about smaller Slavic countries who hold the pro-west/pro-us lines belonging into NATO and EU and whose governments are opposing to Russia´s line? Is such position seen by general public in Russia as sort of, let´s say betrayal? Or perhaps the linguistic connections make no that big sense?
I think that the Russians do not have a great illusions about the Slavic countries, and they do not expect anything special. If we look at the mentality then Finland looks more akin to the country for Russia. Since the time of the outcome of the Slavs from Central Europe (the area of modern Germany) passed a half thousand years. Part of the Slavs embraced Catholicism, some became Orthodox. I think this is the main reason of the split of the Slavs.
I think that the Russians do not have a great illusions about the Slavic countries, and they do not expect anything special. If we look at the mentality then Finland looks more akin to the country for Russia. Since the time of the outcome of the Slavs from Central Europe (the area of modern Germany) passed a half thousand years. Part of the Slavs embraced Catholicism, some became Orthodox. I think this is the main reason of the split of the Slavs.
+ With the exception of Ukraine and Belarus. Russians believe, that this country's is the Russian land (in the broad sense of the word).
A lot of Indo-European words. Massive amounts. Mostly Germanic, but also Slavic and Baltic. And Latin of course.
A large chunk of Finnish words regarding religion are Slavic, as Orthodox Christianity arrived in Finland before Catholic Christianity. (Orthodox appr. 700 AD, Catholic appr. 900.)
Hell, even the country's name 'Suomi' in Finnish is a loan. Suom -> sem -> zeme -> zemlja.
Fascinating! It's also interesting that Orthodox Christianity was the first on the scene, before Catholicism. And there was some discussion about how Rome tried to displace Orthodoxy via the Teutonic knights. Why would they do that? I thought the Catholic Church was concerned only with Christianizing pagans. I wasn't aware that they directed a major effort to stealing converts from Orthodoxy...? Was it a power play?
Fascinating! It's also interesting that Orthodox Christianity was the first on the scene, before Catholicism. And there was some discussion about how Rome tried to displace Orthodoxy via the Teutonic knights. Why would they do that? I thought the Catholic Church was concerned only with Christianizing pagans. I wasn't aware that they directed a major effort to stealing converts from Orthodoxy...? Was it a power play?
Western Finland was under the influence of the Pagan Vikings, while Eastern Finland was not. Novgorod and the Rus' adopted Christianity before the Vikings.
In the end it was all about power and influence. Being Orthodox was as 'wrong' as being pagan.
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That must be it.
Fascinating! It's also interesting that Orthodox Christianity was the first on the scene, before Catholicism. And there was some discussion about how Rome tried to displace Orthodoxy via the Teutonic knights. Why would they do that? I thought the Catholic Church was concerned only with Christianizing pagans. I wasn't aware that they directed a major effort to stealing converts from Orthodoxy...? Was it a power play?